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Rat-infested French Jails likened to 'dungeons in Middle Ages'
Scotsman.com ^ | October 22, 2005 | Susan Bell

Posted on 10/22/2005 1:17:20 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn

FRANCE'S prisons are the worst in Europe and their cells are akin to dungeons in the Middle Ages, according to a watchdog's report yesterday.

Hygiene is "deplorable", with inmates crowded into filthy, rat-infested cells, leading to an explosion in the number of prisoners with infectious diseases, the International Observatory of Prisons (IOP) said.

It described conditions as "catastrophic" and condemned the French government for failing to improve matters. "The situation is totally unworthy of our level of civilisation. Conditions of detention are close to those of the Middle Ages," the Paris-based IOP said.

It blamed the government's tougher sentencing polices for aggravating chronically bad prison conditions without solving the problem of delinquency.

The report said French jails suffered from overcrowding, bad hygiene, rising violence and suicide rates of more than six times the national average - France has Europe's highest suicide rate among prisoners.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.scotsman.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: abughraib; abuse; aimia; axisofweasels; civilrights; doublestandard; france; french; frenchrats; gitmo; humanrights; jail; mediabias; prison; prisoners; zogbyism
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Froggy prisoners can only dream of Gitmo.
1 posted on 10/22/2005 1:17:20 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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Doesnt sound to bad their not being forced to wear panties on their heads.


2 posted on 10/22/2005 1:22:01 AM PDT by bikerman
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Amnesty International will be on this like white on rice.

Oh yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.


3 posted on 10/22/2005 1:24:15 AM PDT by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Could the conditions be compared to those of a gulag?


4 posted on 10/22/2005 1:31:02 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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Well, at least the French are doing something right.


5 posted on 10/22/2005 1:35:02 AM PDT by rudyudy
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Hygiene is "deplorable" ....

And how is that different from the average Frenchman?


6 posted on 10/22/2005 1:47:00 AM PDT by opocno (France, the other dead meat)
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And how is it different from the average french restaurant?


7 posted on 10/22/2005 2:04:51 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn
The report placed the blame squarely on policies championed by Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister who has stated his intention to run for president in 2007, saying France's conservative government was wrong to fight delinquency with a drive for longer sentences.

France has a conservative goverment?

8 posted on 10/22/2005 2:10:35 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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"Hygiene is "deplorable",..."

In France, who would know......or care?

Semper Fi

9 posted on 10/22/2005 2:35:41 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Of course...when there's criticism of the Gov't, it suddenly becomes "conservative."


10 posted on 10/22/2005 2:51:07 AM PDT by Panic in the Streets ("Mayor, I've confirmed the data: the hippies ARE planning a massive jam band concert!"- Eric Cartman)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

For once, the French get something right.


11 posted on 10/22/2005 2:53:10 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (It is Watergate yet? Is it Watergate yet?)
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Hygiene is "deplorable", with inmates crowded into filthy, rat-infested cells, leading to an explosion in the number of prisoners with infectious diseases, the International Observatory of Prisons (IOP) said.

islam in a nutshell

12 posted on 10/22/2005 3:05:31 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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Hygiene is "deplorable", with inmates crowded into filthy, rat-infested cells, leading to an explosion in the number of prisoners with infectious diseases, the International Observatory of Prisons (IOP) said.

Zut Alors! I sought zeese was a Parisian McDonald's...

13 posted on 10/22/2005 3:05:55 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Wasn't Kerry in love with everything French? Wasn't he going to make us more like them. Are Massachusets prisons like the French? Call Amnesty International! If they hate America, so much lets give them Kerry and those that voted him and Fat Teddy in!


14 posted on 10/22/2005 3:08:06 AM PDT by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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Well, they're French. To them, these are country clubs.


15 posted on 10/22/2005 3:14:08 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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"The situation is totally unworthy of our level of civilisation.

Uh, this is France we're talking about, right?

16 posted on 10/22/2005 3:38:39 AM PDT by SIDENET ("IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!")
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Another perspective contrasting criminal punishment in America with France & Germany:

...Meanwhile, on the other side of the Atlantic the average sentence served in French prisons reached a measly high of eight months in 1999, up from a mere 4.3 months in 1975... Whitman’s basic thesis is that in the course of the last two centuries both Germany and France (and much of the rest of Europe) have extended to everyone the special “high status” punishment practices that used to be accorded only to aristocrats, thus ensuring that notions of “dignity” in the treatment of offenders and “normalcy”—that the lives of prisoners should approximate as much as possible the “normal” lives of non-incarcerated citizens—remain central aims of criminal punishment... On the whole, French and especially German prisons accord their inmates a degree of respect and privacy that is starkly different from American practice. According to Whitman, inmates in France and Germany wear their own clothes rather than prison jumpsuits; they are addressed as “Monsieur” or “Herr” followed by their last name; they are allowed significant privacy in their cells and bathrooms; they are permitted conjugal visits; and they [Germany] are given real jobs with the aforementioned paid vacations...

Source

17 posted on 10/22/2005 3:46:55 AM PDT by elli1
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Or public restrooms!!


18 posted on 10/22/2005 4:40:11 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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-suicide rates of more than six times the national average -

Dang, that's a lot of dead frenchies.


19 posted on 10/22/2005 4:44:41 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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Too bad there is no one over there to rise to the occasion and sing the praises of the USA, such as De Tocqueville.


20 posted on 10/22/2005 4:52:09 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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