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Group opposed to homosexuality protests at funeral for fallen soldier
Ripon College Days ^ | 10-19-05 | Toni-Lee Scarano

Posted on 10/19/2005 6:13:44 PM PDT by SJackson

Inside Grace Lutheran Church last Wednesday family and friends of fallen Ripon soldier Sergeant Andrew Wallace grieved. Outside, others stood with signs with messages including 'America is doomed,' 'God hates you,' 'Your pastor is a whore' and 'Thank God for dead soldiers.'

The protesters were part of the anti-gay organization, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), which believes God is punishing America for supporting homosexuality.

"It was hard to take in," says junior Liz Molitor, who witnessed the protest. "I had heard about the group before, but I never imagined it all to be this graphic."

The graphicness of the display was furthered by the difficulty many faced in understanding the connection between an anti-gay message and Wallace's funeral.

Wallace, 25, of Ripon, was stationed in Kuwait as part of the Appleton-based unit known as the Red Arrow Brigade. His and a fellow guard member's deaths were the result of a roadside bomb.

At the funeral wake, the protesters spread out along a designated area in front of the church, each of the five members wearing a T-shirt with the words God Hates Fags written across their chest.

"Our purpose is to cause America to know her abominations," says Shirley Phelps, one of the protesters, who held signs and cited Bible scripture with her two sons, Noah, 5, and Gabriel, 7. "We're helping America to connect the dots to see that since they've turned this country over to fags, now they're coming home in..." Phelps' son Noah proudly cuts in to finish the statement, "...body bags."

The Phelps' are from Topeka, Ka., but travel around the country to protest. The protesting is in an effort to follow the mission of their church, listed on the Westboro Baptist Church's website, located at www.godhatesfags.com, to show the world "the Gospel truth about the soul-damning, nation-destroying notion that 'it is okay to be gay'"

The organization was founded by Shirley Phelp's father, Fred Phelps, in 1955 and has been publicly present ever since WBC protested the funeral of Matthew Shepard in 1998. Shepard was a young gay man who was brutally murdered because of his sexuality, and WBC's presence at his funeral gained the group national notoriety for the first time, says Jody Roy, associate professor of communication, who specializes in the communication strategies of social movements.

"Too often we think of hate as somebody else's problem because we are not a target, at least at the moment," says Roy. "When a group like WBC comes to a town like Ripon to disrupt the funeral services of a young teacher killed serving his country, it's a wake up call. It can happen here."

From her research, Roy is able to offer insight into how this group operates.

"WBC and many other counter-conspiracy groups view themselves as God's agents, believing they have been given unique insights into reality," she says. "Counter-conspiracy groups, or groups who believe they are reacting to a conspiracy of threat to their people, normally express their arguments in tightly constructed webs of logic. Although to outsiders, the gaps [in their logic] are quite obvious, those gaps close in around people who take the leap of faith into the web. The logic of a conspiracy theory can appear perfect."

Much of the logic the WBC bases its anti-gay stance on is biblical text. At Wallace's service, the protesters continually quoted Bible verses.

"This nation has holy apostatized," says Timothy Phelps, Fred Phelps' youngest son, "We came up to Wisconsin to answer a loud lie being told: God bless America. Fags are going to Hell for eternity. They deserve that. Here's a reality check: if God can bless America, God can curse America."

These and other conclusions drawn by WBC are the result of the interpretations of the Bible. The group focuses on passages from the Old Testament, which they say indicate homosexuality is punishable by death.

However, Brian Smith, professor of religion says direct conclusions can't necessarily be drawn from these passages.

"Jesus never mentioned homosexuals or people who condone it," says Smith. "There is no way this group can scripturally justify the killing of American soldiers as God's punishment to our country for allowing gay and lesbian rights."

Smith believes the WBC to be a dangerous group because they use anger and pain to gain publicity, especially at funerals of soldiers. "That should be a time of love and support for the families of the fallen in battle," says Smith. "Compassion is the first and foremost Christian obligation. This group is re-writing the Bible."

Although the arguments made and harsh words given by the protesters were troublesome for most onlookers, many were most shocked by Noah and Gabriel, happily protesting alongside their mother.

When asked what he wanted to be when he grew up, Noah, 5, responded with excitement, "A fag hater."

His mother, Shirley Phelps, smiled lovingly and laughed in response.

Although many attending Wallace's visitation found the demonstration shocking, others hardly even noticed the small group and some refused to allow hate to influence them.

"Hate is learned and, as such, is cyclical," says Roy. "My research has taught me that the best way to prevent hatred is to interrupt the cycle. Because many of the underlying thought processes of hatred are fallacious, developing critical thinking skills is one of the best long-term prevention strategies."

Roy continues, "The challenge is to remember that when protesters aren't in town, we must live, behave and speak everyday as if tomorrow we too might be the target. It's hard to be apathetic about hate when you remind yourself you too could be a victim."otion that 'it is okay to be gay.'"



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KEYWORDS: christianity; fredphelps; godhatesfags; hate; homosexualagenda; phelps; wbc; westborobaptist
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Anti-gay group plans protest at funeral

The way I view it, they have the same rights of anyone to protest if they are lawfully assembled, unfortunately, I’ll have to make sure their rights are respected. It kind of makes me sick
Ripon Police Chief Dave Lukoski

1 posted on 10/19/2005 6:13:44 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

I am a vehement opponent of the homosexual agenda, but this kind of behavior is just disgusting.

Moreover, a fallen soldier deserves respect, not this asinine circus.

The Phelps family needs help. Those poor children.


2 posted on 10/19/2005 6:17:36 PM PDT by two134711 (Haven't we learned by now not to trust the AP to tell the whole truth?)
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To: SJackson

probably one of the most disgusting displays I have ever seen.


3 posted on 10/19/2005 6:17:57 PM PDT by LSUsoph
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To: SJackson

Just because it's legal does not mean that it is not crass.


4 posted on 10/19/2005 6:18:30 PM PDT by netmilsmom (Happy 8th Birthday to my Net!)
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To: SJackson

I figure one of these days they'll be "protesting" and a relative of the honored will take a few shots at them.


5 posted on 10/19/2005 6:20:07 PM PDT by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: SJackson
The way I view it, they have the same rights of anyone to protest if they are lawfully assembled, unfortunately, I’ll have to make sure their rights are respected. It kind of makes me sick Ripon Police Chief Dave Lukoski

Hard as it is, sometimes the best thing is to let loathsome persons have the spotlight. Their views are coming from an obvious place of hate, and that is obvious. Compassion in response, rather than reciprocated hatred is what "cures" this sort of thing...

6 posted on 10/19/2005 6:20:48 PM PDT by podkane
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To: SJackson

WBC and gays both have an equal right to protest. So do the KKK and the NAACP.


7 posted on 10/19/2005 6:20:55 PM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: SJackson

These sound like leftists making fun of the conservatives by portraying them as extremists. Who knows what really is in their minds or why they're doing this.


8 posted on 10/19/2005 6:23:16 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Hatred is the foundation of socialist movements, conceit is the motivator)
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Why is it I smell a rat here?... I am as anti-homosexual as you could find and I know some people just like me, and I would never do that... and I can't think of anyone who would that. If nothing else is bad PR, and you don't have to be genius to see that.
9 posted on 10/19/2005 6:24:28 PM PDT by ElPatriota (Let's not forget, we are all still friends despite our differences)
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I think its an appalling lack of respect to the dead. A dead person's sins are between them and God. No one has any business judging a person's private life - whatever their sins are as long as it remains private.

(Denny Crane: "Gun Control? For Communists. She's A Liberal. Can't Hunt".)
10 posted on 10/19/2005 6:25:00 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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someone needs to look into these people... I believe that they are "agent provocateurs ". The "Lutheran's" I know aren't that 'militant'.

http://www.resist.com/Articles/literature/AgentProvocateur.htm


11 posted on 10/19/2005 6:26:15 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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The protesters were part of the anti-gay homosexuals organization, the Westboro Baptist Church (WBC), which believes God is punishing America for supporting homosexuality

Apparently this church skipped the part about he who is without sin may cast the first stone.

Or maybe they are just sinless /sarc.

Homosexuality is nasty and plain dishonest to oneself. Basically defies the love yourself part of loving your neighbor.

Given this church's logic, Europe should be flattened by now the way many there embrace homosexuality.

12 posted on 10/19/2005 6:27:13 PM PDT by A message ( Being a "Progressive" means never having to be truthful to yourself)
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I wonder if there is any chance that these people are like seminar callers. "I have been a Republican for many years, however ..."

These people seem intent on turning people off of Christianity. And probably have convinced some people that homosexuals are unduly persecuted and perhaps deserving of support.

Myself, I support Christ, I oppose homosexuals, I support the war, and I feel sorry for crazy people like those feaured in this article.

13 posted on 10/19/2005 6:27:21 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: SJackson
God Hates Fags? I understand that God hates sin, But I also understand that God loves the sinner and sent his son to die for us (sinners.)

I also understand that god hates pride, and there are scriptures that imply that god used homosexuality as a punishment against the proud, but to say that God hates fags, well that is a little over the top.

14 posted on 10/19/2005 6:27:49 PM PDT by D Rider
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To: SJackson

Why should a private funeral be a protected free-speech forum? Shame on those Phelpses! Leave the dead to God and their families to their grief in private.


15 posted on 10/19/2005 6:28:12 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: SJackson

Those f***ers were within driving distance and I didn't have a chance to meet them with some tar and feathers. DAMN, that pisses me off.


16 posted on 10/19/2005 6:30:19 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: SJackson

Unseemly, attention seeker. Without grace.


17 posted on 10/19/2005 6:32:52 PM PDT by OriginalIntent (Liberals always lie about everything.---- The ACLU needs to be investigated and exposed.)
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After reading the article several times, I see that these people can be called the Christian Taliban with complete accuracy. Now we have a home-grown variety of the Islamo-fascist vermin. My son is in the unit mentioned and I can assure all that I would take it very personally if I would be unfortunate enough to encounter any of these rats eyeball to eyeball.
18 posted on 10/19/2005 6:32:59 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to some one else.)
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That story made my teeth grind with rage. That boy died in service of our nation, and i think those protestors need a real smack-down.

Gods help us all if nutjobs like them ever gain any real power to use the state as their instument to force their will on everyone else.

Personally, I don't care what people do in private - just don't try to force it on me or mine.

19 posted on 10/19/2005 6:33:48 PM PDT by FierceDraka (The Democratic Party - Aiding and Abetting The Enemies of America Since 1968)
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Why is it I smell a rat here?... I am as anti-homosexual as you could find and I know some people just like me, and I would never do that...

Because they're rats. Westboro Baptist has been around for awhile, you can find their website on your own, they brag about their exploits. Picketing funerals is now on their agenda, after all, Americans attend and "picket" these funerals with American flags, why not the anti-gay, anti-war Westboro folks. They're disgusting.

20 posted on 10/19/2005 6:34:34 PM PDT by SJackson (I went to the intifada, and all I got was a UN T-Shirt, Hugh Hewitt)
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