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St. Louis Cardinals @ Houston Astros -- NLCS Game 5 LIVE THREAD
Fox TV | 10/17/05 | A Killer Bee

Posted on 10/17/2005 6:11:04 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat

Bottom of 2nd, 1-0 Astro lead, good game with baserunners and a great tag out at the plate by the Cardinal catcher.


TOPICS: US: Missouri; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 2morechances; astros; astrosmeltdown; cardinals; dontcelebrateyet; lidgeblowsitagain; likeyankees2004; mlb; sports; whosyourdaddy
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To: unbiasedtruth

I'm torn too. I work with Randy Flores' mom so we all root for the Cards for his sake, but I'd really like to see the Astros win it.


261 posted on 10/17/2005 8:59:51 PM PDT by ZGuy
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To: jpsb
Back around 1980 the astro's were up 3 games to 1 against the priates or phillies, leading in the 9 inninng.

They were probably up 2-0 or 2-1. I think the league championship series were still best-of-five back then, weren't they?

262 posted on 10/17/2005 9:00:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but Lord I'm free.)
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To: doug from upland
6. Donnie Moore's pain: Angels lose to Red Sox in 1986 ALCS

Before the Sox lost the heartbreaker of all heartbreakers to the Mets, they inflicted some serious fan-pain themselves. Leading the best of seven ALCS three games to one, the long-suffering Angels looked World Series-bound for the first time in history. California led 5-4 with two outs until the top of the ninth when Dave Henderson hit a two strike two run shot off Donnie Moore to give the Sox an edge. The Angels would tie in the bottom of the ninth but the 11th inning made Henderson a hero once again as his sac fly sealed the game five win for the sox on their way to the series victor and an AL flag.

Hey, doug...i feel your pain. wasn't there a hit batter on that two out, two strike count? I seem to remember a hit batter at that point, which preceded the insertion of moore, and the hr from "hendu".

263 posted on 10/17/2005 9:00:22 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (FreeRepublic: your educational retreat from the stress of Leftist media jihad.)
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To: Tall_Texan

The Astros still have the edge in this series. One word: Oswalt.


264 posted on 10/17/2005 9:01:15 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (St. Louis)
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To: doug from upland

I hate sports.....:-(

Except for hockey...and college football...and college basketball.....GO POKES


265 posted on 10/17/2005 9:03:33 PM PDT by Jrabbit (Kaufman County, Texas)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Still 2 games to go, anything could happen.

I know... that's the good thing/bad thing about baseball. ;-)

266 posted on 10/17/2005 9:03:35 PM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Libertarian444
Shades of '86.......

I was there, wish espn classics would show that game.

267 posted on 10/17/2005 9:03:37 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo ("When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk!")
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To: doug from upland
Sorry, Astros. I didn't mean to jinx it.

You realize, that we will always associate you with this game. Not that it was your fault, but whenever you show up, we will look around warily.

268 posted on 10/17/2005 9:04:49 PM PDT by DrewsDad
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To: Christian4Bush

Game 5: Red Sox 7, Angels 6 (11 innings)
At Anaheim Stadium, Sunday, Oct. 12, 1986
Before Bill Buckner was Bill Buckner, Dave Henderson was Bill Buckner. The Red Sox outfielder dashed to the center-field wall to snag a long drive by second baseman Bobby Grich in the sixth, but when Henderson collided with the wall the ball popped out of his glove and bounced harmlessly over the fence for a two-run homer and a 3-2 Angels lead.

California added two more runs in the seventh on a Rob Wilfong RBI double and a Brian Downing sacrifice fly, but it didn't look like Mike Witt would need any additional help. Bidding to become the first pitcher to throw two complete games in an LCS, Witt took the mound in the ninth with a 5-2 lead.


Without Dave Henderson's dramatic homer in Game 5 of the ALCS, the Red Sox never would have reached the World Series.
In baseball, three outs make an inning. In the 1986 playoffs, three outs made a lifetime.

Buckner opened the inning with a single. After Jim Rice went down on strikes, Don Baylor hammered a long drive that sailed just over the outstretched glove of Gary Pettis and into the outfield seats, cutting Boston's deficit to 5-4. Witt got Dwight Evans to pop out to third, leaving him one out from a second straight complete game, but Evans would be the last batter he saw. Playing the percentages, Mauch elected to bring in reliver Gary Lucas, who had dominated Boston's Rich Gedman during the regular season. Lucas threw just one pitch -- drilling Gedman and putting the tying run on first base.

Mauch brought in his closer, Donnie Moore, still bothered by a weak shoulder. Moore quickly ran the count 0-2 against Dave Henderson, putting the Angels one strike from the World Series. But Henderson would win the battle, driving a 2-2 split-fingered fastball high and deep into the California sky to give the Red Sox a 6-5 advantage over the stunned Angels.

In the bottom of the ninth, the Angels came within 90 feet of the World Series. Bob Boone singled to start the inning and Gary Pettis bunted to move pinch runner Ruppert Jones into scoring position. Rob Wilfong tied the score with a single and advanced to third on a Dick Schofield single. McNamara ordered an intentional walk to Downing to set up a force out at home, which loaded the bases with just one out. However, the Angels failed to capitalize. Doug DeCinces lofted a fly ball to shallow right field and Bobby Grich hit a soft liner to Boston reliver Steve Crawford to end the rally.

The Red Sox finally finished the game in the 11th. Donnie Moore hit Don Baylor to put the Boston's leadoff batter on base. Dwight Evans followed with a groundball single, and Rich Gedman bunted safely to load the bases with no one out. Dave Henderson finished his heroics, lofting a sacrifice fly to center field to score Baylor and give the Red Sox a come-from-behind win, 7-6.


269 posted on 10/17/2005 9:05:48 PM PDT by doug from upland (David Kendall -- protecting the Clintons one lie at a time)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Garner is going to get ripped hard for that decision, and deservedly so.

This textbook managing drives me nuts. Keep the setup guy in, if he starts faltering, THEN bring in Lidge.

Ozzie Guillen has got the right idea...if it aint broke, dont fix it!

270 posted on 10/17/2005 9:05:50 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: Charles Henrickson

I'm not gonna lie. That hurt. A lot. That's the kind of loss that destroys morale. I hope the 'Stros can pick up the pieces, because St. Louis has proven that they will never lay down.

It seemed so perfect. So beautiful. But then the harsh rays of sun scattered my reveries, grabbing me out of my blissful dreamworld. Pujols, with an awesome clutch bomb. Lidge, crumpling under the weight of his burden. The homecrowd deflated. Destiny spurned. Cyclopean Squid reeling. Houston despondent. St. Louis invigorated. It goes to 6, the momentum decidedly shifted.


271 posted on 10/17/2005 9:05:57 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Astro-nut)
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To: ZGuy

I tell all of the Cards fans I work with that I'm rooting for the team that's at bat. But a part of me really wants the Astros to pull it out and WIN.


272 posted on 10/17/2005 9:06:44 PM PDT by unbiasedtruth
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To: doug from upland

And people call me cynical because I think professional sports are bought and paid for. As long as it goes all seven games...


273 posted on 10/17/2005 9:08:46 PM PDT by Jaded (Hell sometimes has fluorescent lighting and a trumpet.)
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To: Libertarian444


unfortunately, I called it right before it happened ------


To: Leapfrog
Is this a replay of the Angels/Red Sox? Angeles up 3 games to 1, down to the last strike. Sox win in extra innings and take the next two to break their hearts.



188 posted on 10/17/2005 8:36:18 PM PDT by doug from upland (David Kendall -- protecting the Clintons one lie at a time)
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274 posted on 10/17/2005 9:08:56 PM PDT by doug from upland (David Kendall -- protecting the Clintons one lie at a time)
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To: RightWingNilla
Ozzie Guillen has got the right idea...if it aint broke, dont fix it!

Exactly. If the Astros goes to the WS, it will be in spite of, not because of Garner. I don't want to be too harsh, Garner is a nice guy and an ok manager, but not a genius or an artist. Kinda like Mack Brown in prior seasons. But Mack is taking more chances this year, has loosened up a bit, and has a team so good that they can overcome (so far) coaching mistakes (which do seem to be down this year.)

I still think the Astros will win 1 of these next 2.

275 posted on 10/17/2005 9:12:10 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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Who's your Daddy?
(Albert Pujols T-Shirt after the game tonight!)


GO CARDS!

276 posted on 10/17/2005 9:13:28 PM PDT by stlnative
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To: SCALEMAN

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Bush ain't dead yet.
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277 posted on 10/17/2005 9:14:05 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Stop Global Warming. Shut a Liberal's Mouth.)
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To: stlnative

Great win. Pujols came through, like a bad dream. But why come out just to celebrate? We could have used your commentary during the game, you know, when it all wasn't going your way.


278 posted on 10/17/2005 9:16:34 PM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Astro-nut)
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To: RightWingNilla
This textbook managing drives me nuts. Keep the setup guy in, if he starts faltering, THEN bring in Lidge. Ozzie Guillen has got the right idea...if it aint broke, dont fix it!

Preach it, brother! I've been saying this for YEARS! Whether it's a set-up guy or a starter, why take out a guy who's pitching well and not laboring? Especially when you're up by two or more runs with no one on. One swing of the bat wouldn't even tie the game. But NOOO! So many managers these days just go by the new textbook and put in the closer no matter.

And I had the very same thought about Ozzie after the Sox series. That's how baseball USED to be played ALL THE TIME: lots of complete games, pitchers throwing 120, 135 pitches. And that was in the day of FOUR-man rotations!

Why take out a pitcher who's going well?

279 posted on 10/17/2005 9:16:37 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Have followed baseball closely for about 45 years.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Didn't Mitch Williams do something like this, when he pitched for the Phillies?

My mind is fuzzy on it, but it seems he gave up a game-winning home run to decide a LCS or World Series or something. It's been about 10 years ago.

280 posted on 10/17/2005 9:16:56 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you're not willing to give Harriett Miers a hearing, I don't give a damn what you think.)
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