Posted on 10/15/2005 5:17:38 PM PDT by Torie
ASSIMILATION AND ITS MEANING. The End of Gay Culture Andrew Sullivan
For ... two decades, I have spent much of every summer in the small resort of Provincetown, at the tip of CapeCod. It has long attracted artists, writers, the offbeat, and the bohemian; and, for many years now, it has been to gay America what Oak Bluffs in Martha's Vineyard is to black America: a place where a separate identity essentially defines a separate place. No one bats an eye if two men walk down the street holding hands, or if a lesbian couple pecks each other on the cheek, or if a drag queen dressed as Cher careens down the main strip on a motor scooter. It's a place, in that respect, that is sui-generis. Except that it isn't anymore. As gay America has changed, so, too, has Provincetown. In a microcosm of what is happening across this country, its culture is changing.
Some of these changes are obvious. A real-estate boom has made Provincetown far more expensive than it ever was, slowly excluding poorer and younger visitors and residents. Where, once, gayness trumped class, now the reverse is true. Beautiful, renovated houses are slowly outnumbering beach shacks, once crammed with twenty-something, hand-to-mouth misfits or artists. The role of lesbians in the town's civic and cultural life has grown dramatically, as it has in the broader gay world. The faces of people dying from or struggling with aids have dwindled to an unlucky few. The number of children of gay couples has soared, and, some weeks, strollers clog the sidewalks. Bar life is not nearly as central to socializing as it once was. Men and women gather on the beach, drink coffee on the front porch of a store, or meet at the Film Festival or Spiritus Pizza.
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That is disgusting.
" gay issues"?,.....Heck, I'm tired of almost everybody's "issues". Why does anybody HAVE "issues"? What ARE "issues"? Doesn't anybody just have a normal life anymore? Life has always had problems, but they were no big deal.
The only "issues" I'm concerned about are the survival of the USA and freedom. I'm concerned about whether the Islamofascists will nuke us or the 5th columnists and illegal immigration or people with no desire to assimilate into Western and Anglo civilization and it's ethics and ethos will destroy us from inside.
We can probably survive most other "social issues".
"You have not convinced a man because you have silenced him."
I think things that once were the hallmark of "gay culture" have become the hallmark of popular culture at-large. Heterosexuals have in essence become homosexualized through contraception, non-monogamy, trial marriages, extreme narcissism, etc.
Sure homosexuality isn't sick anymore compared to the rest of the culture. The dominant culture has just caught up with the homosexuals.
The fact is that madmen do not think they are mad. And those who do not share their madness condescend to them, and treat them like amusing children, not realizing the depth of their affliction. If they are not dying of AIDS in great numbers , like the poor people of Africa, it is because they are sustained by the best medical treatment in the world. It is as if we were providing drug users with free fixes.
No matter how big, a Big Lie is still a lie.
Seriesly, why does one describe an article as "turgid"?
Because it is dig-(a) rut spelled backwards.
artsy fartsy transition areas
Maybe it's because of the stinking paintings too.
I don't think gayness per se is an issue with most people.
Not if it's kept behind closed doors where it belongs. I'll say hi to a gay person and if encountering them in work (I haven't yet) would work with them fine. That is acceptance. But it's when the sexual promiscuity promotion and the like kick in, that I REALLY object.
Yeah it was a really bizarre article. Pretty gay in my opinion.
So Mr. Sullivan believes his gay culture has gone mainstream. Makes sense -- most people only want acceptance from the rest of the pack.
So the question is, how are people going to rebel against their parents now?
Specifically, are children of gay parents going to rebel by becoming Christian ultra-right wing conservatives: ;D
What ARE "issues"?
Issues are things that magazines and newspapers create to sell their political views.
Heterosexuals have in essence become homosexualized through contraception, non-monogamy, trial marriages, extreme narcissism, etc.
In a weird sort of way, you may have a point.
Is it really that hot. some people are highly invested in either pushing for it or pushing against it. Most just sort of shrug from what I see. It is peculiar to some, wrong to others and a matter of indifference to some.
I object to any sexuality out in public. Gay, straight, animal, whatever.
Don't worry...Torie's long time gay hero hasn't a clue what main stream Americans believe, nor does Torie.
She floats this trail balloon every now and then to see if any Conservatives will agree with her and Sullivan's Liberaltarian world view.
Sullivan is a Conservative...LOL, what a crock.
I agree with Torie on this from what I have seen in the last thirty years. Most people live and let live. And so many people have gay relatives, friends. It isn't unusual in people's lives to have had to come to terms with a gay relative. That changes their attitudes about gay people. And I think what Sullivan is saying is that gay people in some groups are acting more and more like anybody else.
I never much cared for having a group of people despised and shamed for what they were. I never much cared for gay parades and all of that enhibitionism. The gay people I know just aren't in that subset of activists. They are just doing what the rest of us do,,work, have friends, make lives, get along.
The "love that dare not speak its' name" has now become "the love that won't shut the hell up."
"The fact is that madmen do not think they are mad. And those who do not share their madness condescend to them, and treat them like amusing children, not realizing the depth of their affliction"
True, I was just talking with a friend about this tonight after having been forced to stop at a Wal-Mart by a cousin who needed to buy something there. I waited in the car and watched the parade of slovenly, fat, sloppily dressed and groomed crowd of what appeared to me to be mostly low class scum. Pardon my biased cynicism and snobbism.
The entire culture seems to have adopted the gang culture as mainstream. The left seems totally unaware that the Islamofascists want to destroy us.
How precious. But perhaps even you can find someone more worthy on this list. Granted a few are speculative, to say the least, like George Washington. It is odd he made the list, and Lincoln didn't. Odd. LOL.
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