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1 posted on 10/15/2005 5:57:35 AM PDT by Pokey78
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Kristol: Criminalizing Conservatives

Bill has nothing to worry about.

2 posted on 10/15/2005 5:59:03 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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I read somewhere else this morning that Delay's fundraising has set a new record high in the last three months. The democrats tactics continue to backfire.


3 posted on 10/15/2005 6:03:41 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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The connect the dots exercise is fine.All too well known here at FR maybe. Question is, what is the GOP gonna do about it?
Can we also PLEASE throw up some shameless, focussed, disingenuous, victory-at-all-costs politicians in the Dem mould?

Come to think of it, the conservative movement has ceded critical areas like education, popular culture and civil rights to the leftie-libs. A blunder of such proportions is not w/o consequences. Unless we conservatives see another survival threatening crisis, I doubt we'll do what is necessary, unabashedly, to win....


5 posted on 10/15/2005 6:07:13 AM PDT by voletti (To go where no man has gone before....)
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You think Conservatives are being criminalized now? Wait till Hillary gets into the White House. They'll be putting them into concentration (excuse me, re-education) camps.


6 posted on 10/15/2005 6:09:00 AM PDT by rbg81
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Will the Patriot Act help or hinder President Rodham in such endeavors?
7 posted on 10/15/2005 6:11:21 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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This is the situation: There are so many laws and regulations that everyone has probably committed a felony sometime in their life, almost all of them unknowingly.

Conservativss are held to the absolute letter of the law, even when trying their best to avoid violating any law, they sometimes fail. Now I don't think Delay has even done that.

On the other hand we have corruption by Liberals on a massive scale with stealing elections, stealing money, selling secrets to the enemy, sexual pervision, the list goes on and on. If anyone tries to hold them accountable, they are attacked in the most vicious manner by the media, and Democratic apparatus.

It really is that shocking.

9 posted on 10/15/2005 6:15:44 AM PDT by yarddog
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While not a fan of William "McCain" Kristol, he is dead on target with this piece.



10 posted on 10/15/2005 6:18:18 AM PDT by G.Mason
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Criminalization is a reflection of a deep malady at the heart of American politics..

If criminal prosecution is seen to loom ahead for every politician who begins to act out his or her beliefs in unconstitutional government or politics, perhaps reform will be sustainable.

We don't need to pretend to have all the answers, or a solid answer even to one of these questions.
But it's a reasonable bet that when it became clear that a comprehensive strategy of criminalization has been implemented to inflict defeat on politicians who seek to govern as socialists, that true reform would soon follow.
12 posted on 10/15/2005 6:26:53 AM PDT by faireturn
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You don't have to read down too far before he begins accusing this administration of classified leaks. The Plame leak being the most serious.

Kristol has truly lost his mind, but then I never thought he had much of an intellect.

More like a useful idiot for McCain.

13 posted on 10/15/2005 6:37:47 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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bflr


15 posted on 10/15/2005 6:46:08 AM PDT by King Prout ("La LAAAA La la la la... oh [bleep!] Gargamel has a FLAMETHROWEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGH!")
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"If criminalization is seen to loom ahead for every conservative who begins successfully to act out his or her beliefs in government or politics, is the project of conservative reform sustainable?"

Yep! See the 2nd amendment. That's why it's there.


21 posted on 10/15/2005 6:56:47 AM PDT by TalBlack
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Excellent title and excellent article.


23 posted on 10/15/2005 6:57:23 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (It's the Supreme Court, stupid!)
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"Why are conservative Republicans, who control the executive and legislative branches of government for the first time in living memory, so vulnerable to the phenomenon of criminalization?"

First of all, conservative Republicans do NOT control the legislative branch, which of course, hamstrings the President. The legislative branch is controlled by a cabal of Senate Democrats and RINO's.......and when you get right down to it, the Senate is controlled by 6 or 7 faux Republicans in the McCain, Chaffee, Snowe mold. One might also add to this the "gang of 14" which deftly seized control in the judicial appointments process, again hamstringing the President.

Second, Republican solons don't know how to fight back and they never have. They are not alley-cat fighters like the Dems have always been. This pussiness is always praised by purists as being something "noble". About as "noble" as the phoney Nobel peace prizes.

Right off the bat, the "new tone" in DC disarmed the GOP victors. It lulled them, and soon, they preferred the state of lullness to any meaningful confrontations. The GOP elected hierarchy are, for the most part, paper tigers big on talk, short on wielding the big stick.

Mr. Krystal, you know the answer to your own question as well as we, you are just too delicate, sensitive and wussy to articulate it. Perhaps you fear a more manly critique of the fighting spirit of the DC GOP might hurt sales of your magazine. If so, then you are part of the problem.

Years ago, GOP "compassionate conservatism" in DC morphed into "dispassionate conservatism".....and therein lies the rub.

Leni

28 posted on 10/15/2005 7:21:02 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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Kristol is such a glowing moderate that I'm rather surprised he could wrap his head around this concept, pleasantly surprised.


29 posted on 10/15/2005 7:32:35 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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The criminality of dissenting opinion is a central tenet of leftist strategy and rhetoric. These specific cases are merely the public tip of a very large iceberg.

Out here in the trenches, even the dimmest liberal conformist sheep know that the first reaction to criticism, dissent, or opposition should be to represent such opposition as a criminal attack on liberal rights. Last week, I spoke with a high school English teacher who was almost comically obtuse about this.
She literally could not conceive of the idea that criticizing, say, the Dixie Chicks was not a criminal attack on their rights. She had no conception of the irony of pretending that total stone silence from those with certain opinions was the only way to protect "free expression."
Two generations of Americans have now been indoctrinated to believe implicitly in these imaginary rights for liberals and leftists: the right to the forum of their choice, the right to an audience, the right to financial support, and the right to be taken seriously.


36 posted on 10/15/2005 8:17:23 AM PDT by atomic conspiracy (Islamo-terrorists: Strike force of the MSM)
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I think lil Bill has realized that he has gone too far too fast in trashing Harriet Miers. Less than 15% of self identified Republicans agree with him that she should be defeated. More than half of Republicans, and a plurality of all surveyed, think she should be confirmed. By a wide margin a majority thinks that she is being prejudged without evidence by those, like Kristol, who are attacking her. (Source Fox News/Opinion Dynamics Poll, 10/13/05 - note: this is the PDF file with full results)

This is a nice, safe, obvious topic and he's using it to try to suck up to the vast majority of conservatives and say "see, I really am one of you and not a stuck up inside the beltway self appointed god king pundit!"

Even a blind sow finds an acorn every once in awhile. But it's still a pig.
38 posted on 10/15/2005 8:53:18 AM PDT by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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I haven't had much use for Kristol in recent years, although he was a hero in the old days. But he's right on target here.

What can we do about it? How about getting some backbones and fighting back? You can't blame the Democrats for using dirty tactics if they always work.

For one thing, why on earth have the Republicans kept that silly rule that the leader of the house has to step down if he is indicted? That's nothing but an invitation to indict, and as we have seen here it certainly doesn't contribute to what must have been the purpose of this stupid rule, that Republicans are cleaner than Democrats. Just the opposite. It give the media a free opportunity to say that Republicans are dirtier than Democrats. Get rid of that rule!

Also, why do we always agree to hold hearing and appoint investigative commissions, while the Democrats just dig in their heels and refuse? Under the rules Republicans seem to agree to, an indicted Republican is in a weaker position than a convicted Democrat.

Even Kristol, complaining about this, says that politics are more polarized than ever. Sure, but not equally. The Democrats have pulled out all the stops, while the Republicans just sit their with weak grins on their faces. How about fighting back?


39 posted on 10/15/2005 9:01:41 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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NEOCON ALERT!


41 posted on 10/15/2005 9:23:14 AM PDT by jd777
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