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We was robbed!! Sox 2 Angels 1
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Posted on 10/12/2005 8:24:45 PM PDT by navysealdad

Game 2 of the ACLS left Chicago celebrating a 2-1 victory. Controversial strikeout didn't end the ninth..

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To: navysealdad

One other thing, an intelligent catcher tags the guy on anything, and I mean anything close; it's just what a catcher does on a third strike like that. Josh Paul made a mistake in not taking a very simple precaution.


141 posted on 10/12/2005 9:03:19 PM PDT by giobruno
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To: navysealdad

That umpire had trouble speaking at the press conference....that would be asking too much of him.


142 posted on 10/12/2005 9:04:10 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Where was the puff of dirt kicked up by the ball hitting the ground? There was none.

If the dirt had mosture in it that might explain why no puff.........

143 posted on 10/12/2005 9:04:25 PM PDT by Doofer
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Shielded by the catcher's glove.


144 posted on 10/12/2005 9:04:47 PM PDT by mrexitement
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To: Al Simmons

Al, I'm with you on this one, touch the ground or not, the catcher should always make that tag just to be sure; Molina would have. It was close enough to do it anyway.


145 posted on 10/12/2005 9:04:50 PM PDT by giobruno
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To: navysealdad
He apparently did yell "no catch" because something caused Piersynski to wheel around and head to first. He also never did signal out. He signaled Strike (Clenched fist), then pointed to first (no catch), the the Clenched fist again (Resignalling the strike) -- HE never PUMPED the fist BACK or DOWN -- that is the OUT CALL.

Look at the pictures Hole in one posted, Piersynski is wheeling around to look at the umpire as the catcher runs off -- meaning 1. HE never heard OUT! and 2. He obviously heard and/or saw something else (most likely NO CATCH!)

146 posted on 10/12/2005 9:04:52 PM PDT by commish ((Montgomery, AL) Freedom Tastes Sweetest to Those Who Have Fought to Preserve It)
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To: BurbankKarl

This has nothing to do with the lack Sox and that is an ignorant comment to make.

1) How about the pathetic Angels that couldn't get a 3rd out AFTER THIS CALL.

2) The game was still Tied with two outs at that point.

3) How about a player is not out until he is at the steps of the dugout according to the umpires press conference.

4) How about the pathetic pitch selection that scored the final HIT and scored the RBI for the white sox.

5) How about the pathetic catcher not getting the ball out of his glove to throw down to second for the stolen base right afterward.

You Angels fans are pathetic comparing this to the black sox.

6) The Umpire called a strike which it was.

7) The Umpire clearly points to first base, that is not a third out call. he never said the word out.

8) How about blaming the pathetic catcher who is the one who made the mistake of not throwing down to first.

And.....Face it, the White Sox are the only ones who did anything right, which is running to first base on a dropped third strike.

You don't like it, too bad, suck it up and face Game Three.

But stop with the ignorant black sox comments, it adds nothing to your alleged claims other than the fact that some here don't know the rules of baseball.

Regards,
Joe

PS - Go White Sox


147 posted on 10/12/2005 9:05:26 PM PDT by Sonar5 (62 Million+ have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
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To: justkillingtime

Not the team; the umpire. Missed calls are a part of the game. I wrote the Cook County piece just to get in a slam at the DemocRATS. Don't get excited.


148 posted on 10/12/2005 9:05:45 PM PDT by doug from upland (Mocking the leftists approximately 20 hours a day.....hey I need some sleep)
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To: BurbankKarl

"The umpire crew claiming they watched the blown up reverse angle replay and it was the right call...."

What's infuriating is that they were totally focused on the "change of direction" of the ball which is really pointless when you consider that the umpire called the third strike/out. He didn't reverse himself until the team was leaving the field. I've have a heck of a lot more respect for the umpires if they would just face up to what they did honestly instead of trying to squirm out of it. I didn't like the look on the home plate umpire's face at that PC one little bit. I think he is very aware of what he did.


149 posted on 10/12/2005 9:06:27 PM PDT by GOPrincess
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To: commish
The ump called the third strike, then pointed toward first -- Piersynski saw this and immediately spun around and headed to first. The ump then made the call again to make sure everyone saw it.

The umpire called strike three, but as I'm sure you're aware, whether or not Pierzynski had reached safely, the play would still go in the books as a strikeout. The umpire has to account for every pitch, just as the official scorer has to account for every base gained by a batter-runner.

The umpire signaled strike three because Pierzynski swung at the ball. He had no option. But there were eight Angels facing the play who could and should have seen the umpire point to first base, and a catcher who should have realized that in a 1-1 game in an ALCS, you make sure of the out by tagging the batter anyway. That's common practice.

In short, you're right. It is not cheating to run out a play.

150 posted on 10/12/2005 9:06:35 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("One might even go so far as to say ... he's mediocre." - Daffy Duck)
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To: giobruno
That's a good point. if I were the Angel catchers I would make a point of tagging each and every batter after a called third strike, even if I had to run to the White Sox dugout to do it.
151 posted on 10/12/2005 9:06:37 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

lol!


152 posted on 10/12/2005 9:08:09 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: doug from upland

no prob..lol just love my SOX!!! lol


153 posted on 10/12/2005 9:08:55 PM PDT by justkillingtime
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To: commish

Yep! The batter never did swing at the pitch either!!


154 posted on 10/12/2005 9:09:36 PM PDT by navysealdad
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To: hole_n_one

Interesting picture.
Everybody is heading for their dugouts, including the batter, until the batter turns and takes off toward first - - yet the umpire has remained in place rather than head for his water bottle or whatever. It looks to me like the umpire didn't believe that the inning was necessarily over.

And I still do not understand why the Angels watched the guy run to first base without reacting? They had plenty of chance to go pick up the ball and throw him out.


155 posted on 10/12/2005 9:10:17 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: beezdotcom
Umps can change calls if they feel they made the incorrect one. Eg. Foul home runs, tag applied and ball is knocked out, ball dropped after outfield catch before transfer of ball to throwing hand etc...

It happens all the time.

156 posted on 10/12/2005 9:10:34 PM PDT by mrexitement
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To: Revolting cat!

The end zone? Finally?


157 posted on 10/12/2005 9:11:09 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Colonel_Flagg
The umpire signaled strike three because Pierzynski swung at the ball. He had no option. But there were eight Angels facing the play who could and should have seen the umpire point to first base, and a catcher who should have realized that in a 1-1 game in an ALCS, you make sure of the out by tagging the batter anyway. That's common practice.

Yes, but adding to the confusion is the NEXT call - after pointing to first, he raised his fist. Soem folks are saying that's the strike call, but it sure looks like OUT to most folks.
158 posted on 10/12/2005 9:11:43 PM PDT by beezdotcom (I'm usually either right or wrong...)
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To: hole_n_one
Great shots as usual, h_i_o...but it doesn't really matter what the video shows. This is baseball. When the home plate ump says you're out....that's it...you're out.

Watch the full replay. Even after he calls the strike and then signals the out...as the batter reaches first base, the home plate ump is striding to the mound shaking his head and signalling with his right hand that the ball is dead and the play is over. The batter was out.

159 posted on 10/12/2005 9:11:49 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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To: VA is for Freepers
ESPN just replayed the incident you mentioned.

The mechanics of the hp ump on that play were identical to his on that infamous play in the 9th.

160 posted on 10/12/2005 9:11:58 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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