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Miers is dead in the water
Town Hall ^ | 10/06/05 | Laura Hollis

Posted on 10/06/2005 7:15:47 PM PDT by jdhljc169

Today's Chronicle of Higher Education has a story that describes Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers' involvement with a lecture series at her alma mater, SMU Law School. The inaugural lecturer? Gloria Steinem. I've played these games in law schools, and this story sends up red flags for me. Here's my take on it ...

I was reserving judgment, but after having read the Chronicle article (and given conservatives' skittishness about her already), I think she's a non-starter. Miers may be a very nice person - and by all accounts she is. But she has never served as a judge, and while I do not think that an attorney must have been a judge in order to be an excellent justice, I do think that if you want to be certain of a nominee's views on the proper role of the judiciary, you better have seen them in action as a judge.

We haven't. And absent that, we must look to other events in Miers' professional life to ascertain her perspective. To that end, the Chronicle article is instructive:

In the late 1990s, as a member of the advisory board for Southern Methodist University's law school, Ms. Miers pushed for the creation of an endowed lecture series in women's studies named for Louise B. Raggio, one of the first women to rise to prominence in the Texas legal community ...Ms. Miers, whom President Bush announced on Monday as his choice to fill the Supreme Court seat being vacated by Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, not only advocated for the lecture series, but also gave money and solicited donations to help get it off the ground ... A feminist icon, Gloria Steinem, delivered the series's first lecture, in 1998. In the following two years, the speakers were Patricia S. Schroeder, the former Democratic congresswoman widely associated with women's causes, and Susan Faludi, the author of Backlash: The Undeclared War Against American Women (1991). Ann W. Richards, the Democrat whom George W. Bush unseated as governor of Texas in 1994, delivered the lecture in 2003.

Having served on the faculties of three law schools, I can tell you that if you are an academic of the conservative political persuasion, this is the way you play the game: you call things by the terms the liberal academic establishment uses ("Gender Studies," "Women's Studies," etc.) and then you bring in lecturers and provide content that challenges their prevailing "wisdom."

There must be dozens -- hundreds -- thousands -- of conservative female attorneys, politicians, pundits and successful business owners in this country who would be wonderful role models for female SMU law students. If Miers pushed for the creation of a lecture series to honor Texas' first and finest female attorneys, and the series brought in the likes of Steinem and Faludi, then I know as much as I need to know about this woman.

Stick a fork in her. She's done.


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To: SpringheelJack

I have no idea. I'm sure there are many cases Warren weighed in on....but maybe it wasn't his opinions but other aspects of the way he exercised his career...ask Ms. Meirs.

But tell me this....why would anyone think it was due to his pro-roe vote if Ms. Meirs was active in the pro-life movement?


301 posted on 10/06/2005 9:52:24 PM PDT by griffin
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To: SpringheelJack

What qualifications does the US Constitution say she needs? Anything else is your opinion and subjective.


302 posted on 10/06/2005 9:54:21 PM PDT by griffin
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To: jdhljc169

This should get it's own thread. If we could avoid the vitriol, there could be a good discussion of the meaning of this testimony, which we have to assume accurately reflected her opinions in 1990 since she was under oath.

I agree with some of what she said (I imagine I would get disgreement with some here), and disagree with other parts.

However, supporting something as a councilman is not the same as ruling on it as a judge. You might push for something in court that you wouldn't call a right.

Someone needs to ask her about this, and what she now thinks, at the hearings. Add this to the list of questions...


303 posted on 10/06/2005 9:55:11 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT
That's where I voted too.

But since I don't think there's going to be any real information coming during the dog 'n pony show they call a confirmation hearing, ultimately she's probably going to have to be put in the "no" column.

The worst thing though is all the rationalization going on. It's classic republican party politics: Declare defeat before the real fight even starts.

As long as I can remember, it's "we need control of the whitehouse and congress to make changes and pack the Courts"

Now, there's a republican president and 56 republicans (55+cheney) in the senate, and it's still not enough.

We'll be told that we need even more republicans elected. We'll get to 60. And then we'll hear we need more. We'll get to a 2/3 majority, and we still need more.

Eventually we'll get to 100 senators and then be told we still can't do what has been promised for decades.
304 posted on 10/06/2005 9:55:21 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
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To: bourbon
I doubt the fight from the right will hold and I'm ambivalent about that prospect

Pundits get mad and donors and field troopers like us get riled, it doesn't probably matter much to Bush. He's not running again.

What would get his attention is leading Pubbie senators jumping ship. Frist who I'm sure already knew his choice came out praising her ...he is Bush's man

anyhow...it's just damned sour to have to drink down this crap after so many years and so many elections and campaigns ....damn is all I can say.

I knew when yanked that dadgum CSA vetrans memorial plaque when he first became Governor in Austin that he marched to a different culture war drummer than I but hey...there is no alternative and he was great after 9-11 so I felt like I owed him

not anymore

but....this same mindset...moderates....will nominate Rudi or Condi or McCainiac in 08.
305 posted on 10/06/2005 9:56:02 PM PDT by wardaddy (i'm all outta bot i can't live without you,)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
---Someone needs to ask her about this, and what she now thinks, at the hearings. Add this to the list of questions...---

"Since this issue may come before me in a Supreme Court Case, I'm going to have to follow the precendent set by Ruth Buzzy Ginsberg and decline to answer that question."
306 posted on 10/06/2005 9:57:04 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
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To: wardaddy

---it's just damned sour to have to drink down this crap after so many years and so many elections and campaigns---

And so, so many promises.

"Just wait until we have control of the senate..."


307 posted on 10/06/2005 9:58:29 PM PDT by flashbunny (Suggested New RNC Slogan: "The Republican Party: Who else you gonna vote for?")
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To: flashbunny

Yea, too bad Reagan didn't pick a person he had a personal relationship of 10 years with in order to really know, rather than having to take a guess after a 1-hour meeting.

Oh, I'm sorry. You posted this for the anti-harriet side. It's rude of me to steal it. Go on, nothing to see here....


308 posted on 10/06/2005 9:58:49 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Yer showin' yer colors, newbie!!!


309 posted on 10/06/2005 10:00:40 PM PDT by paulat
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To: paulat

I have read all the Federalist and studied extensively the life of its principal author. There is not a thing in either which contradicts any thing I have espoused. Hamilton is revered by me and I have fought many a battle here with some of your allies over him. But the fact is that his life is a story of using the influence of powerful people he attached himself to in order to further his career. This started as early as his days in St. Croix where the Governor started a private subscription to fund his education in New York.

Hamilton was completely opposed to the arbitrary appointment of unqualified people as was often done in Great Britain. He was not opposed to the appointment of qualified people no matter the relation to the appointer. I mean, my God, look at the politics of New York state at that time it was completely dominated by the great families like the Livingstons, his father in law, and the Clintons. For the most part they were competent. He was opposed to the incompetent ones.

The way the Antis are carrying on is as though in #76 Hamilton had not warned of the impractibility of having such appointments made by "...the people at large..."

"Premising this, I proceed to lay it down as a rule, that one man of discernment is better fitted to analise (sic)and estimate the peculiar qualities adapted to particular offices, than a body of men of equal, or perhaps even of superior discernment."

Hamilton cannot be enlisted in the anti-Harriet jihad.


310 posted on 10/06/2005 10:06:38 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: flashbunny

As a strong christian, this doesn't bother me much, not having seen the cards in question.

It bothers me some that a person working in a chain of command would, having been asked by a superior to fix something, would not only refuse, but would go not just to the next level, but rather around, and through, and outside, in an attempt to, what, embarrass the superior into doing "the right thing"?

The "I sent it to the jew and he wasn't upset" I guess was what sent me over the edge. I'd love to here Ken's side of this. Asking a jew if a christmas card is too "christian" is just something that to me seems over the top.

Just my opinion.


311 posted on 10/06/2005 10:07:36 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: BluH2o
There are many more much better qualified and more deserving than Miers ...

I recall the same being said of the Thomas nomination.

312 posted on 10/06/2005 10:08:10 PM PDT by TeleStraightShooter (When Frist exercises his belated Constitutional "Byrd option", Reid will have a "Nuclear Reaction".)
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To: Soul Seeker

yeah...and i think that to answer those questions you should do a little more to educate yourself on Ms.Meirs fruit before you call your sister in Christ to the carpet in front of others and do harm in other's eyes to what could be a very strong ally.


313 posted on 10/06/2005 10:11:34 PM PDT by griffin
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To: TeleStraightShooter

but....Thomas has very strong documented conservatism...which is why he went thru hell.


314 posted on 10/06/2005 10:12:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (i'm all outta bot i can't live without you,)
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To: flashbunny

no bunny...we have to have a 100 seat majority in the Senate ...remember?


315 posted on 10/06/2005 10:13:25 PM PDT by wardaddy (i'm all outta bot i can't live without you,)
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To: cynicom
Have done with her and move on to a conservative.

Why? Hasn't everyone complained about Kennedy, Souter, and O'Conner all being consevatives who turned? Why so much confidence in a conservative all of a sudden?

316 posted on 10/06/2005 10:13:56 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Soul Seeker
yeah...and i think that to answer those questions you should do a little more to educate yourself on Ms.Meirs fruit before you call your sister in Christ to the carpet in front of others and do harm in other's eyes to what could be a very strong ally.

What your doing is nothing more than gossiping about things you have no concrete evidence of. Your hypothesizing!
317 posted on 10/06/2005 10:14:01 PM PDT by griffin
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To: griffin
What qualifications does the US Constitution say she needs? Anything else is your opinion and subjective.

Yep, but it happens to be opinion validated by actual practice. Theoretically, I suppose being illiterate is no bar to the court, though saying that the constitution doesn't require you to have any qualifications won't get you far if you're that guy.

318 posted on 10/06/2005 10:14:34 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: griffin

She is nominated to be a Supreme Court Justice.

I know of nothing in the Bible that considers it a sin to ask questions to deteremine if she is the best choice to hold that seat.

If your analogy is intended to silence my Constitutional right by tossing biblical platitudes at me you are doomed to defeat. I have not questioned her allegiance to Christ, nor I have I attacked the woman's character.

You, though, have attacked mine.


319 posted on 10/06/2005 10:15:29 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Barbour/Honore in '08)
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To: griffin
But tell me this....why would anyone think it was due to his pro-roe vote if Ms. Meirs was active in the pro-life movement?

If she was active in the pro-life movement, why would she pick him? His pro-Roe vote has to be one of the most well-known events of his tenure, if not the most well-known.

320 posted on 10/06/2005 10:15:55 PM PDT by SpringheelJack
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