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Man saves grandson from coyote
Daily News ...Boston Herald ^ | October 6, 2005 | Lisa Gentes

Posted on 10/06/2005 7:04:45 PM PDT by george76

A grandfather hiking a trail...with his 4-year-old grandson was attacked yesterday by a coyote, but saved the youngster by grappling with the animal as it continued to bite him.

Arthur Cole, 76, was attacked...by a 40-pound gray coyote, according to police. He was bitten several times but his injuries were not life-threatening.

His grandson, Nicholas, escaped unhurt and ran the half-mile to his grandparents' house...

When Arthur's wife and Nicholas' dad asked, "Where's Grampy?" the youngster replied, "A wolf got him," ...

Peter Cole, who was visiting his parents, jumped into his truck, drove to the development's community center and ran down the trail. "I was yelling for my father. He yelled to me, and he was lying on top of the coyote," ... "I tried to kill it, but there was nothing I could really do."

Peter called 911 on his cell phone and police and firefighters arrived.

"We got there and found the guy on top of the animal," firefighter Jamie Desautels said. "The guy basically saved his grandson."

Firefighters used a snare to restrain the female coyote, which continued to bite Cole...

Police then killed the coyote. "We basically choked the animal to death," Police Sgt. James Bruce said.

"The coyote attacked Arthur from behind," ...

"There was a struggle," Dave Cole said. "It went away and came back, and leaped for his neck."

...the cause of the attack is undetermined, but it was unprovoked. The female coyote may have been protecting her pups...

Bruce said residents in the housing development were being notified by the community center at the complex.

He cautioned residents to be aware and alert while walking near woods. Police don't know if there are other coyotes in the area...

(Excerpt) Read more at metrowestdailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: animalrights; ar; attacks; bang; banglist; coyote; coyotes; predator; predatorhunting; predatorproblems; selfdefense; sss; wolf; wolves
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To: george76
Ummm... not that I am advising this, but a standard blade inserted just below the sternum of the animal when it leaps for you and you use your left forearm as a 'chewtoy' to distract it and holding it (the blade) firm as the animal's momentum carries it on to you will slice a nicely-defined opening down through the abdominal area and tends to dissipate the attack rather dramatically.

There are of course some scars, but really the animal is on the losing side of the struggle from the outset. Not to mention you tend to have no fear of any animals whatsoever at the culmination of any such attack. Of course, I would have no knowledge of any such maneuvres personally. *smile*

81 posted on 10/06/2005 11:13:24 PM PDT by Utilizer (What does not kill you... - can sometimes damage you QUITE severely.)
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To: George Stupidnopolis
Things are different out here, where most farmers and ranchers would just as soon shoot a coyote as look at one.

Back east, among the PETA types, they are getting bold. No one is disputing the territory and they have been moving in.

82 posted on 10/06/2005 11:17:23 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: tubebender; george76; editor-surveyor

In the past couple of years I have heard from fly fishers about the large size of coyotes back in the NE and their lack of fear of humans, (No one shoots them there, like out here.) They felt that attacks like this would become very common.

Most of the coyotes we have in N California are normal to small, mangy and not agressive.

Apparently in the Bend/Redmond and Sun River areas in Oregon, the coyotes are often big and agressive. The biggest coyotes, I have ever seen were in that area. Dogs and cats which are left outside often become part of the food chain in that area.


83 posted on 10/06/2005 11:45:41 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
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To: george76

They shoulda got the pups too, and hung their tails on some coyote lover's doorknob! Hatem, hatem, hatem!


84 posted on 10/07/2005 12:23:23 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: The Red Zone; All
Advice to anyone who has to shoot an attacking animal: if at all possible, avoid shooting it in the head. The undamaged brain is needed to diagnose the presence or absence of rabies in the animal.

If rabies is not diagnosed, any bitten victim can avoid the need to undergo the painful series of rabies shots...

Haven't had to shoot an attacking coyote -- yet... But I did have to shoot a raccon that attacked me. (Fortunately, it only got my boot -- and it did have rabies...).

85 posted on 10/07/2005 12:26:30 AM PDT by TXnMA (Iraq & Afghanistan: Bush's "Bug-Zappers"...)
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT


86 posted on 10/07/2005 3:03:45 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Double Tap

I agree with you! I have a friend on Cape Cod who sends articles about coyote attacks there all the time!


87 posted on 10/07/2005 5:52:16 AM PDT by moondoggie
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To: George Stupidnopolis

The two were attacked by the coyote while they were walking in an open field from the rear.

The grandfather beat the animal off by kicking it. The animal retreated to a distance of 50 feet, turned and attacked the grandfather at top speed, leaping towards his throat.

The grandfather caught the animal by its throat and wrestled it to the ground.

The rest of the story is correct.

The source: Gramps, 15 minutes ago on a radio interview.

Now my question to you is, where did you acquire the wisdom, insight and arrogance to "guess is that they were messing with it."

I have always been respectful of my fellow Freepers but I sure hope you don't hold a responsible job. If you do, I sincerely hope you use a better methodology than guessing.

Stupidnopolis is an apt handle.


88 posted on 10/07/2005 6:08:24 AM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: PoorMuttly
Well I probably won't be going to the Arctic soon so I can put Polar Bear concerns on hold, however....

I will be mountain hiking in the wild, wild west again so I will have to prepare better than my novice hikes

I need to get on the bandwagon & purchase my personal defense weapon

Also one has to keep their thinking cap on & not be to distracted by the wonders of all that natural beauty

Did you read about the grizzly attack in Yellowstone this summer? The hikers saw fresh bear tracks but decided to continue on and just like clockwork, they met up with the bear on the trail!

But other than my own little arsenal and a prayer for safety, what else can one do?

A life without risk is a life not worth living

Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. Theodore Roosevelt

89 posted on 10/07/2005 7:22:55 AM PDT by apackof2 (There's two theories to arguin' with a woman. Neither one works. Will Rogers)
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To: Rapscallion; George Stupidnopolis

Right and I looked at the page with the animal attacks. ALl but one was in states where there are no guns or much hunting. I believe that most of the attacks are because the coyotes don't fear humans and that is because they aren't hunted.


90 posted on 10/07/2005 7:32:20 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: Rapscallion; George Stupidnopolis

Right and I looked at the page with the animal attacks. ALl but one was in states where there are no guns or much hunting. I believe that most of the attacks are because the coyotes don't fear humans and that is because they aren't hunted.


91 posted on 10/07/2005 7:34:23 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: george76
Some Reported Coyote Attacks on Children.
Hunting coyotes gives them a healthy fear & respect for man and child.

Some other coyote attacks reported here.

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

92 posted on 10/07/2005 8:45:45 AM PDT by Varmint Al
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To: george76

Good coyote ranglin', Grandpa! :)

*SHIVER* I hate these situations. I had to "dispatch" two rabid racoons this past spring. Last year I had to take a shovel to a rabid Ground Hog, of all things. It was amazingly aggressive for a Ground Hog!

My .22 is always within reach, now. We have coyotes too, and when we find their scat on our walks, both of my dogs (a male & female) take the time to "mark it" so the coyotes pretty much stay about a mile away...for now.


93 posted on 10/07/2005 9:25:57 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Montana4Jesus

Yea, I have seen similar reports on wolves. The whole 'Living in harmony" bit from the movies. The same with bears and cougars. Then the circle of life thing kicks in and someone gets eaten. Living in the country you soon know that nature isn't docile but ferocious and unforgiving. (I present you with tick season as proof).
The coyotes here have been culled regularly by cattlemen and run by farm dogs. There is enough natural prey for them from geese (I find the wings and feathers) through field mice. They maintain their place. Should they step out of place they go away. But thank you, I respect any critter's ability to inflict damage.


94 posted on 10/07/2005 9:32:52 AM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local communist or socialist party chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing.)
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To: george76

The animal was rabid period!


95 posted on 10/07/2005 12:50:29 PM PDT by yoe
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To: apackof2

Got 'cha covered, lass.

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Heat Unit Rating of OC

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They all have one thing in common. They all contain an unusually powerful compound found in no other plant, an alkaloid called capsaicin (cap-say-a-sin). Just a single drop of tasteless and odorless capsaicin in 100,000 drops of water and the heat can be very noticeable. In fact, capsicum can be detected by humans at one part per million.
In 1912, pharmacologist Wilbur Scoville developed a standard for measuring the power of capsaicun .Called the Scovill Organaleptic Test, currently called Scoville Heat Unit (SHU), it was needed to calculate the temperature of peppers used in many pharmaceutical products of the time (such as "Heat" rub which was used for relief of sore muscles, arthritis pain and muscular sprains). Scoville measured ground peppers into a mixture and gave it a grade.
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Beware

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Find out the heat unit rating, what type of peppers are used the process used to produce a high heat rating. Without the proper answer to these questions you may be buying a product which is less effective that others and possibly ineffective when the most demanding situation may arise."





Secondly, to stop or deter DANGEROUS animals, large ones at that...here's the deal, as extracted from copious extrapolations of exchanges between Squantos and moi....Big and Heavy wins the race. So, unless you can carry a small shotgun, first choice...and get this one...do like some Alaska sourdoughs do, and prepare to shoot even birdshot into the hungry/angry bear's FEET..(they hate that)....and failing that, send a big charge of 00 Buckshot into his face (they're no fans of that one either, I am told)....AUTOMATICS: 10mm -- REVOLVERS: S&W 329/629 .44 Mag./or at LEAST a 686 7-shot .357 with heavy, hardcast lead or jacketed soft point (not hollow point!) bullets...HUNTING loads.

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Also...says me, it is even more likely that one would encounter a VEMOMOUS Reptile in the wilderness.....which is no time to look for and don your shake-proof gaiters or high boots.......and revolvers carry really good SNAKESHOT......which works better than much, except that shotgun you really should have. Preferably in a Waistband concealment holster!

Feral dogs, coyotes, coyote-dog-wolf hybrids, and even (no small thing) RABID skunks, raccoons.....there is stuff around....and if you rest where they nest...and were born...well....you're on their turf...no matter how picturesque, or how confident Mister Ranger is of your welfare.

[did I mention rabid bats...?...]


96 posted on 10/10/2005 11:12:29 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: apackof2; Squantos

Keep your eyes on the stars, and your feet on the ground.

- T. R.


97 posted on 10/10/2005 11:15:46 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: PoorMuttly

LOL....I take it theres no statues of Teddy at NASA ?


98 posted on 10/10/2005 11:38:37 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Squantos

I think T.R. would really enjoy the space project...but be very active in underwater exploration...since it's full of critters.


So....does pepper spray "work" on rattlesnakes...????


99 posted on 10/10/2005 12:48:56 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: PoorMuttly

Dunno.....I never carried or used the stuff as a deputy . I used the SAP Gloves and ASP as my escalation of force. Snakes always got a shovel or shot treatment.


100 posted on 10/10/2005 12:55:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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