Posted on 10/05/2005 2:32:40 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
"We had to destroy the coffehouse in order to save it."
Well, duh. Based on the Jewish student and the ones that don't go to church I wonder how she figured this out. No offense to either but it doesn't sound like someone was screening folks at the door. I can't imagine either signing up to spread the Christian message. This is just weird.
It's hard to be both.
"We had to destroy the coffehouse in order to save it."
LOL! I think the new Board of Directors is just doing a little 'Heathen Cleaning' amongst the volunteer ranks. I can imagine it was over-run with non-paying secular customers and volunteers. If it's a church entity and wants to push that message, they should be able to run it as the owners/board sees fit, don't ya think? ;)
This report is typical, liberal Madison BS. They live for these types of situations where they can scream "discrimination" if they're nose is out of joint, because as we all know, they're all about "tolerance." *Rolleyes*
"This is a church project," said Visick, a Methodist minister. "Its survival depends on support from local churches, and those churches need to feel it is part of a ministry."
It's a coffeehouse, not a church. They can encourage people to adopt christianity but I like to be left alone with a cup of coffee.
Your more concise answer beat me by one minute! :)
I may certainly be wrong, and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but these "Campus Ministy" projects by mainline denominations (in this case Methodist), in my experience, are often started and run by liberal Christians who really don't know what they believe. It sounds like they started with fuzzy goals, and then went even further off track by hiring mostly non-Christians, until finally some responsible lay board member asked what in the world they were actually accomplishing with the money that was being spent to support this "ministry."
I'd consider that, too. Follow the money in any entity if you want to get to brass tacks. ;)
Well it sounds like it was a pretty happening bohemian place, cheap meals, live bands (probably secular), political (agitprop?) discussions were held...
And they probably got some tail from coy college girls who at first bought into the notion that it was a "Christian community center".
It's a coffehouse that was set up as a ministry extension of a church. Not that uncommon. Most of the time, the people who volunteer to work in a place like that understand its purpose. Apparently in this case a lot of them didn't.
My church ran a coffeehouse. It's a church thing around here....or was. Most have closed now. People knew if they just wanted coffee, go to Dunkin Donuts.
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"I'll have a double espresso, heavy on the sugar, and light on the Jesus."
As any salesman knows, ramming a sales pitch down a potential customer's throat is a sure lost sale. Those sincerely interestred in preaching the Word know this.
Could this be a case of either baaaaad management or - a tempest in a coffee pot?
I hear some christian coffeehouses can be good but something overtly in my face would be aggravating. Perhaps it's better that they define who they are.
I should think the sponsors can run it any way they like. Let the market decide. If the customers mind, they won't come; if they don't, they will.
I suspect that this place wasn't being "watched" and it strayed from it's intent. The coffeehouses that I've been to had a cover charge with standup comics and local Christian bands and all the coffee and donuts you could eat. There was always a Pastor or church Elder there. There was no mistaking what it was and the Pastor or Elder welcomed everyone but the conversation was just that, general, unless they were asked.
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