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Coffehouse Mission Bitter to Baristas ("Too Religious" for Madison, WI)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | October 5, 2005 | Doug Erickson

Posted on 10/05/2005 2:32:40 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

A faith-based campus coffeehouse is struggling to survive now that its 50 or so volunteer workers are boycotting it.

Catacombs Coffeehouse, 731 State St., lost most of its kitchen help and customer base over a dispute between the board of directors and the students who provided the free labor and positive word of mouth.

Former volunteer Charlie Hoyt said board members are pushing a hard-core Christian theology that is at odds with the coffeehouse's reputation for religious tolerance and open- minded discussions.

"It's not welcoming," said Hoyt, who is Jewish. "I think people are really scared about being proselytized while they have a cup of coffee."

Board treasurer Vern Visick said the board in no way is trying to dampen religious diversity. However, he said board members think the coffeehouse could use a course correction after drifting from its goal of encouraging people to adopt the Christian faith.

"This is a church project," said Visick, a Methodist minister. "Its survival depends on support from local churches, and those churches need to feel it is part of a ministry."

Visick said he hopes the volunteers return but that the board also wants to attract a broader base of supporters than the tight-knit group that had been running the place.

"It became kind of cliquish," he said.

The coffeehouse was founded in 1993 by Madison Campus Ministry. Ownership has since shifted to an independent, nonprofit offshoot of the ministry that goes by the same name as the coffeehouse. The nonprofit group's mission statement says its goal is to "reveal Jesus Christ through building relationships and encouraging creativity and responsibility for the world."

The coffeehouse rents space on the UW-Madison campus in the basement of Pres House, a ministry of the Presbyterian Church. In the past few years, the coffeehouse had become known as a vibrant place to hear bands, talk politics, view art exhibits and grab $3 lunches. It serves only locally roasted, fair-trade coffee and tries to buy its food from nearby organic farmers.

Things soured this summer when the board hired someone from outside the organization to manage the kitchen instead of Jonny Hunter, a longtime, popular volunteer who had most recently balanced the coffeehouse's books, assisted in the kitchen and booked bands as one of three paid employees.

Hunter, 26, said he was told by two board members that he wasn't religious enough to be kitchen manager. Hunter said he considers himself spiritual but is not a member of a local church.

Visick said that while the board wants its coffeehouse leaders to be members of local Christian churches, Hunter's lack of church affiliation was not the sole reason he didn't get the position.

The handling of the kitchen manager position was just one example of board members not respecting the work and opinions of volunteers, said Veronica Bayetti, a former volunteer.

"After years of cleaning the bathrooms and mopping the floors, you'd think we'd be consulted about the new direction of the place," she said.

Many volunteers were spooked by a strategic plan updated earlier this year by the board. It stresses that all aspects of the operation should adhere to the belief that the Bible is "God's inspired and authoritative word." Team leaders are to pray for and with volunteers, and kitchen volunteers should be able to answer questions about the ministry.

"In trying to make it a more Christian space, they've alienated anyone who isn't Christian," said Bayetti, who said she does not attend a church.

The board wants the coffeehouse to be a welcoming place for everyone, but it can't shy from its Christian mission, president Bobbette Rose said. There is nothing particularly new about the strategic plan, although it does promote "a greater degree of permeation" of the coffeehouse's ultimate mission, she said. She'd grown concerned that some students didn't know they were volunteering with a Christian endeavor.

"We want to be a place that honors a full discussion, not a place where only one thing can be said," Rose said. "But we did sometimes wonder if there was anyone at the table who could bring up the Christian perspective."

The board wants people at the leadership level who understand Jesus and can express his teachings, Rose said.

"That's been distorted to mean that only Christians can be volunteers," she said.

Only a few new volunteers have replaced the old ones, who used to donate about 200 hours a week. The coffeehouse has closed at times due to a lack of workers.

Meals aren't being served right now, so the lunchtime crowd of 100 or so was down to fewer than a dozen Tuesday. The walls are bare of artwork and no concerts have been held yet this fall.

Rose is optimistic that business will pick up. However, the value of the Lord's work cannot be based on numbers, she said.

"We're going to greet anyone who comes in the door, whether it's a handful or a bustling crowd."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: charity; christianity; christians; coffee; coffeehouse; culturewar; localwinews; religion; secularism
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1 posted on 10/05/2005 2:32:42 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"We had to destroy the coffehouse in order to save it."


2 posted on 10/05/2005 2:34:58 PM PDT by D.P.Roberts
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
She'd grown concerned that some students didn't know they were volunteering with a Christian endeavor

Well, duh. Based on the Jewish student and the ones that don't go to church I wonder how she figured this out. No offense to either but it doesn't sound like someone was screening folks at the door. I can't imagine either signing up to spread the Christian message. This is just weird.

3 posted on 10/05/2005 2:38:38 PM PDT by TXBubba ( Democrats: If they don't abort you then they will tax you to death.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Well, you can be a church, or you can be a public restaurant with a hippy-leftist agenda.

It's hard to be both.

4 posted on 10/05/2005 2:41:40 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: D.P.Roberts; All

"We had to destroy the coffehouse in order to save it."

LOL! I think the new Board of Directors is just doing a little 'Heathen Cleaning' amongst the volunteer ranks. I can imagine it was over-run with non-paying secular customers and volunteers. If it's a church entity and wants to push that message, they should be able to run it as the owners/board sees fit, don't ya think? ;)

This report is typical, liberal Madison BS. They live for these types of situations where they can scream "discrimination" if they're nose is out of joint, because as we all know, they're all about "tolerance." *Rolleyes*

"This is a church project," said Visick, a Methodist minister. "Its survival depends on support from local churches, and those churches need to feel it is part of a ministry."


5 posted on 10/05/2005 2:42:50 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

It's a coffeehouse, not a church. They can encourage people to adopt christianity but I like to be left alone with a cup of coffee.


6 posted on 10/05/2005 2:43:14 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: Dog Gone

Your more concise answer beat me by one minute! :)


7 posted on 10/05/2005 2:44:01 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I may certainly be wrong, and I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, but these "Campus Ministy" projects by mainline denominations (in this case Methodist), in my experience, are often started and run by liberal Christians who really don't know what they believe. It sounds like they started with fuzzy goals, and then went even further off track by hiring mostly non-Christians, until finally some responsible lay board member asked what in the world they were actually accomplishing with the money that was being spent to support this "ministry."


8 posted on 10/05/2005 2:49:16 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

I'd consider that, too. Follow the money in any entity if you want to get to brass tacks. ;)


9 posted on 10/05/2005 2:52:36 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"After years of cleaning the bathrooms and mopping the floors, you'd think we'd be consulted about the new direction of the place," she said.


10 posted on 10/05/2005 2:57:17 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: DeweyCA
...some responsible lay board member asked what in the world they were actually accomplishing with the money that was being spent to support this "ministry."

Well it sounds like it was a pretty happening bohemian place, cheap meals, live bands (probably secular), political (agitprop?) discussions were held...

And they probably got some tail from coy college girls who at first bought into the notion that it was a "Christian community center".

11 posted on 10/05/2005 2:59:37 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: cyborg
It's a coffeehouse, not a church.

It's a coffehouse that was set up as a ministry extension of a church. Not that uncommon. Most of the time, the people who volunteer to work in a place like that understand its purpose. Apparently in this case a lot of them didn't.

12 posted on 10/05/2005 2:59:53 PM PDT by VRWCmember (hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative, and loaded with vitriol about everything liberal.)
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To: VRWCmember
Or they saw an opportunity to make it "their own" kind of place with OPM (other peoples' money).
13 posted on 10/05/2005 3:03:18 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: cyborg
It's a coffeehouse, not a church.

My church ran a coffeehouse. It's a church thing around here....or was. Most have closed now. People knew if they just wanted coffee, go to Dunkin Donuts.

14 posted on 10/05/2005 3:09:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: NoCmpromiz

ping


15 posted on 10/05/2005 3:12:27 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

"I'll have a double espresso, heavy on the sugar, and light on the Jesus."

As any salesman knows, ramming a sales pitch down a potential customer's throat is a sure lost sale. Those sincerely interestred in preaching the Word know this.

Could this be a case of either baaaaad management or - a tempest in a coffee pot?


16 posted on 10/05/2005 3:16:30 PM PDT by GladesGuru ("In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I hear some christian coffeehouses can be good but something overtly in my face would be aggravating. Perhaps it's better that they define who they are.


17 posted on 10/05/2005 3:16:50 PM PDT by cyborg (I'm on the 24 plan having the best day ever.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I should think the sponsors can run it any way they like. Let the market decide. If the customers mind, they won't come; if they don't, they will.


18 posted on 10/05/2005 3:21:45 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
"After years of cleaning the bathrooms and mopping the floors, you'd think we'd be consulted about the new direction of the place,"

Reminds me of this Bud Lite radio commercial.
19 posted on 10/05/2005 3:24:55 PM PDT by DocRock (Osama said, "We love death, the U.S. loves life, that is the main difference between us.")
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To: cyborg
I hear some christian coffeehouses can be good but something overtly in my face would be aggravating. Perhaps it's better that they define who they are.

I suspect that this place wasn't being "watched" and it strayed from it's intent. The coffeehouses that I've been to had a cover charge with standup comics and local Christian bands and all the coffee and donuts you could eat. There was always a Pastor or church Elder there. There was no mistaking what it was and the Pastor or Elder welcomed everyone but the conversation was just that, general, unless they were asked.

20 posted on 10/05/2005 3:25:52 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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