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Professor, teachers to testify in intelligent-design trial [Dover, PA, 05 Oct]
Times Leader ^ | 05 October 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 10/05/2005 3:53:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A philosophy professor and two science teachers were expected to testify Wednesday in a landmark trial over a school board's decision to include a reference to "intelligent design" in its biology curriculum.

Barbara Forrest, a philosophy professor at Southeastern Louisiana University, is being called as an expert witness on behalf of eight families who are trying to have intelligent design removed from the Dover Area School District's biology curriculum. The families contend that it effectively promotes the Bible's view of creation, violating the constitutional separation of church and state.

Forrest's testimony was expected to address what opponents allege is the religious nature of intelligent design, as well as the history and development of the concept, according to court papers filed by the plaintiffs before the trial.

U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III was also expected to hear testimony from Bertha Spahr, chairman of Dover High School's science department, and biology teacher Jennifer Miller.

Under the policy approved by Dover's school board in October 2004, students must hear a brief statement about intelligent design before classes on evolution. It says Charles Darwin's theory is "not a fact," has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to an intelligent-design textbook for more information.

Intelligent-design supporters argue that life on Earth was the product of an unidentified intelligent force, and that natural selection cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

The plaintiffs are represented by a team put together by the American Civil Liberties Union and Americans United for Separation of Church and State. The school district is being defended by the Thomas More Law Center, a public-interest law firm based in Ann Arbor, Mich., that says its mission is to defend the religious freedom of Christians.

The trial began Sept. 26 and is expected to last as long as five weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cnim; crevolist; dover; evolution
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To: gobucks

Please, folks, "a lot" is two words.


541 posted on 10/06/2005 3:31:26 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior

LOL! A sense of humor early in the morning. We need more of that. (and more coffee...).

I was playing golf yesterday junior. I noticed something, as I always do out there. Alot and a lot on the golf course have analogies. Tiny mistakes can really add up.

As one of 'them', what I have noticed is we make so many of these it is just absurd. No wonder so few listen to us, much less ascribe any credibility. Your side ... have you ever noticed the spelling errors are so few? The grammer, impeccable? The word our side uses for this is graciousness, while your side would merely call it precise.

As a golfer, I'm saying the little things do matter indeed.

Are you a golfer junior?


542 posted on 10/06/2005 3:46:01 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: King Prout

Creationists are like liberals in many regards, but chiefly in that they do not like being called by what they are.


543 posted on 10/06/2005 3:48:21 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: gobucks
I find golf boring. But then again I find fishing boring.

[Ducking]

544 posted on 10/06/2005 3:54:25 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: Junior

"I find golf boring."

*Sigh*


545 posted on 10/06/2005 3:55:26 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Ichneumon
Can someone find me anyone on the creationist/ID side who is actually a worthy debate partner? Please?

No such person exists.

546 posted on 10/06/2005 4:07:45 AM PDT by shuckmaster (Bring back SeaLion and ModernMan!)
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To: gobucks
(The Bible makes it clear fwiw; God likes the differences between male and female, and likes the contrast to be quite visible).

the Bible implies God favors continuous adult public nudity? how lewd.

547 posted on 10/06/2005 4:20:53 AM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: King Prout

uh oh ... the 'king' has deigned to notice gobucks. ahhhh... you are bored.

I understand. It's hard, being bored.

btw, I'm guessing you have seen the movie, Reservoir Dogs, yes?


548 posted on 10/06/2005 4:30:00 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: gobucks

a long time ago, but yes.


549 posted on 10/06/2005 4:38:39 AM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: narby
To believe that everything came from nothing, that non life gave way to life, requires much more faith than to believe that In the beginning God created everything in six 24 hour days. So, by default evolution is a religion since it requires blind, unprovable, unscientific faith.

We, who are Born Again Washed in the Blood of the lamb Christians, who believe that God tells us the truth via His Bible, even have a picture of what eternity is and what it is like thru Genesis 1-11. Why is it so ignored by non Christians and liberal Christians? Why do so many refuse to read it, learn from it, take it literally and obey it?

I think the answer to that is simple. We are afraid. We are afraid of being called bumpkins, fools, stupid, and other such names, for the intellectual knows that God created nothing, that we all came from nothing, nothing that somehow became something.

Then that nothing that became something all came together in a spot smaller than the a period on this page, and that period was spinning and spinning and spinning like millions and millions of miles an hour, and suddenly BANG, it exploded and then over millions and millions of years a rock developed and some acid rain fell on it and out of that mess of rock and acid rain came a lizard and from that lizard came a monkey and from that monkey came man and from that rock came a dinosaur and from a dinosaur came a gold finch. And they call us nuts? And you are afraid of them calling us nuts?

Your turn.

550 posted on 10/06/2005 4:52:15 AM PDT by newsgatherer
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To: newsgatherer; Ichneumon; narby; Junior

why are you making the false statement that cosmology (the Big Bang theory) and abiogenesis (the development of self-replicating living things from non-living chemical components) are integral parts of the Theory of the Origin of Species (through mutation and selection) aka "the ToE"?

Why do you falsely state that the ToE holds high-taxa saltation to be necessary (even possible... a hint: such saltation is ruled out by the ToE)?

strawman/non-sequitur/high-taxa-saltation/psychological projection/bearing-false-witness/"it's too early for this crap" placemarker


551 posted on 10/06/2005 4:58:24 AM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: King Prout

Early? You see my post #194? I posted that just before leaving home to go work on a major project due at 1730 today. I just got home. I still haven't gone to bed. I'm about to go now.


552 posted on 10/06/2005 5:13:28 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: gobucks
To lower the masculinity contrast between men and women (which is also why so many male leftist types on campus find long hair chic).

And here I thought that I kept my hair long simply because I like the way it looks. I never realised that I was really trying to blur gender distinctions.
553 posted on 10/06/2005 5:15:20 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Dimensio

early, late, same diff


554 posted on 10/06/2005 5:17:42 AM PDT by King Prout (19sep05 - I want at least 2 Saiga-12 shotguns. If you have leads, let me know)
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To: newsgatherer

"To believe that everything came from nothing, that non life gave way to life, requires much more faith than to believe that In the beginning God created everything in six 24 hour days. So, by default evolution is a religion since it requires blind, unprovable, unscientific faith."

Luckily, Evolution has nothing to do with the creation of matter.

"And they call us nuts? "

:)


555 posted on 10/06/2005 5:20:10 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is a grandeur in this view of life...")
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To: Junior

Maybe you find watching golf boring.

I have a hunch you haven't actually tried to golf, in the real sense.

Maybe I am wrong.


556 posted on 10/06/2005 5:32:24 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: Junior

557 posted on 10/06/2005 5:51:08 AM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: gobucks

Never tried to play it, and never had any real desire to do so. I'm told golf is one of those things you either love or you hate. However, I find myself indifferent. Now, I have tried fishing, and I find it incredibly boring, so there is some precedent there.


558 posted on 10/06/2005 6:07:58 AM PDT by Junior (From now on, I'll stick to science, and leave the hunting alien mutants to the experts!)
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To: gobucks
We have discussed this before. I wasn't implying that she is a lesbian. I was implying that the trend of leftist women keeping short, butch, haircuts has a purpose: to send masculine power signals to men. Purpose? To lower the masculinity contrast between men and women (which is also why so many male leftist types on campus find long hair chic).

Who's "we"?

Harriet Myers has short hair. Is she a leftist?

And if unisex is chic on campus, whence the beards (on men)?

Your psychosexual analysis is, like your ontology, radically at odds with reality.

559 posted on 10/06/2005 6:11:14 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: King Prout
...what the hell is a "ball" sight, anyway?

One of those rare combinations of words unknown to google.

560 posted on 10/06/2005 6:14:56 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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