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NY'ers Back Rudy Over Hillary for Prez
newsmax.com ^ | Sunday, Oct. 2, 2005 1:04 p.m. EDT

Posted on 10/02/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch

Sunday, Oct. 2, 2005 1:04 p.m. EDT NY'ers Back Rudy Over Hillary for Prez

New York State voters would back former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani for president over home state senator and Democratic Party favorite, Hillary Clinton, according to a Marist College poll released Friday.

Forty-nine percent of New Yorkers say Rudy should run for the White House, while only 40 percent want Hillary Clinton do the same.

While more than two-thirds of Empire State Republicans [67 percent] want Rudy to seek the Oval Office, just 54 percent of Democrats [52 percent] say Hillary should run.

What's more, despite two years worth of media coverage touting her White House bid, an astonishing 36 percent Democrats in that bluest of blue states say Hillary should shelve her presidential ambitions for 2008.

Only 28 percent of Republicans turn thumbs down on President Rudy.

The news is even worse for Mrs. Clinton among those not affiliated with either party - a segment that usually constitutes the all-important "swing-vote" in national elections.

While 51 percent of Independents back Rudy for president, just 38 percent want to see Hillary back in the White House.

A full 57 percent of New York Independents say they oppose a presidential bid by Hillary.

Marist surveyed 707 registered voters in New York on September 26th and 27th. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 4 percent.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; guiliani2008; hillary2008; poll; president2008; rinoforprez
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To: Zenith
. NY Conservatives only run as a Third Party !

Can you name a NY Rpublican in the last 30 years that won statewide without also being on the Conservative Party ballot line?

21 posted on 10/02/2005 11:41:09 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Go Mike Pence, Operation Offset, and the Cleveland Indians)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

"This man has a charismatic personality that is rarely seen on the American political landscape, and an appeal to the American public-one that isn't evanescent, but enduring-that transcends any of these other significant character defects or policy failures."

Same words could be said about Bill Clinton.

And I will predict that a Giuliani Administration will have its own Monica Lewinsky, except she'll probably be prettier.


22 posted on 10/02/2005 11:41:31 AM PDT by nj26
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To: Integrityrocks

what is Bush doing about abortion? Gay marriage is making its greatest strides in the US - with Bush as president. there isn't much he can do about either.


23 posted on 10/02/2005 11:41:48 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: nj26
I was thinking more along the lines of Theodore Roosevelt-or his cousin-or the late Ronald Reagan.

How faithful he was to his former wife is a matter for speculation-though I honestly believe that she was just as culpable, if not more so, for the failure of their marriage as he was-but I don't think the analogy to Bill Clinton is an apt comparison.

He has had a turbulent personal life-the abortive marriage to a cousin being one of the more bizarre manifestations of that-but I don't think anyone can question his integrity as a public official.

24 posted on 10/02/2005 11:47:18 AM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

I'll take character over charisma any day.

Also, how is Rudy going to handle religion in the election? Last I checked, he's an excommunicated Catholic (twice-divorced, pro-abortion.)


25 posted on 10/02/2005 11:50:56 AM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26
Rudy has a very good chance of losing "deep red" states like Utah, Oklahoma, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Alabama... Rudy's going to have a heck of a time in any of the 13 states where pro-life voters are a majority, and is likely to lose to a third-party conservative.

IMHO Rudy's has ZERO chance of winning ANY of those states. The guy has so much baggage - ALL bad and on almost every issue dear to Conservatives - and even RINO's.

  1. Abortion - Rudy looses
  2. Gay 'rights' - Rudy looses
  3. Small Gubmint - Rudy looses. He's s big gubmint statist.
  4. Morals and/or morality - Looses BIG. He's got the morals of a feral cat.
  5. Gun Control - Rudy Looses HUGE. His views are almost identical to Di-fi and the Brady Bunch.
  6. Judgment and personnel choices - Rudy looses. The Bernie Kerick fiasco will be all over the MSM.

The bottom line is that Rudy is "Tough On Crime Liberal Democrat" - period.

It also seems that 'people' have a very short memory about Rudy. On Sept 10, 2001 New Yorkers couldn't wait for him to leave office fast enough. They in fact hated his guts.

As to him being a so-called 'hero' on and after 9-11, I say how so? What exactly did he do that was so freaking heroic? I was glued to the TV and Fox News, he didn't do anything that any competent mayor wouldn't do. So he's not a boob like Nagin in N.O., whoop-dee-doo! That doesn't give you the keys to the WH.

26 posted on 10/02/2005 12:01:23 PM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham

Rudy is "PRO" a lot more than just abortion. His social politics are repulsive to many conservatives.


27 posted on 10/02/2005 12:03:17 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: whoever
I think I will puke if I see one more pro-Rudy, McLame, article on this website.

They both are anti-gun, pro-abortion, and pro-queer.
Sell this drivel on DU.
No Republican could ever hope to win by embracing the platform of the far left. Hell, just add socialized medicine and higher taxes and that just about covers their program!
28 posted on 10/02/2005 12:07:10 PM PDT by Beagle8U
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To: nj26
To the best of my recollection, his first marriage was annulled.

I think his credentials-as a Roman Catholic politician-are a lot better than you're willing to concede.

Granted, he's no Sam Brownback or Frank Keating, but he was the most prominent elected official to denounce the reprehensible, bigoted "Sensation" exhibition at the Brooklyn Museum.

He also had a collegial relationship with the late Cardinal John O'Conner, among other high-ranking officals in this city's archdiocese.

29 posted on 10/02/2005 12:07:38 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: InvisibleChurch

If that's what it takes to keep Hillary out of the White House then so be it...


30 posted on 10/02/2005 12:08:04 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: msnimje
He's not any more pro-abortion than Pete Wilson.

Pete Wilson was probably the best candidate the Republican Party had to offer in 1996, and could have-theoretically-defeated Bill Clinton if given the opportunity.

Instead what transpired was a gross distortion of his stances on that issue-as well as immigration reform-which was trumpeted by the liberal media, and which resulted in his being denied potentially lucrative fund raising sources, and being forced to prematurely withdraw from the race.

I'm not saying that Rudy is the best choice-or even a good one-for the 2008 ticket, only that we shouldn't preemptively blackball one of the more talented, appealing members of the GOP because he might-emphasis on that word-have national ambitions.

31 posted on 10/02/2005 12:14:47 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Integrityrocks

Think about this...if we are no longer a free country, would you want to be born?


32 posted on 10/02/2005 12:16:12 PM PDT by Hildy
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To: dubyaismypresident
Off the top of my head?

I can't think of one.

Although James Buckley did manage to win a seat in the United States Senate by running solely on the Conservative line.

Those were the days.

33 posted on 10/02/2005 12:19:33 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: Condor51

Don't disagree with your statements, but can you learn how to use loses instead of "looses." Lots of people do this and it drives me nuts.


34 posted on 10/02/2005 12:23:43 PM PDT by reaganbooster
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
He's not any more pro-abortion than Pete Wilson.

It isn't just abortion, he is very liberal in his social politics.

35 posted on 10/02/2005 12:26:36 PM PDT by msnimje (Hurricane KATRINA - An Example of Nature's Enforcement of Eminent Domain)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Unfortunately New York City is the tail wagging the State of New York's dog.

Political control is so tight in NYC it is very doubtful if anyone but a true liberal can be elected.

Former mayor Rudy Giuliani might not be an obvious far left liberal but neither is he a conservative.


36 posted on 10/02/2005 12:34:06 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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To: donnalee

http://www.nationalreview.com/brookhiser/brookhiser200408310033.asp


37 posted on 10/02/2005 12:35:14 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: msnimje
That may have been the case years ago, but not today.

In the interest of fairness, I'll send you a link to all of the negative aspects of a potential Giuliani candidacy, had it been launched over a decade ago.

38 posted on 10/02/2005 12:37:12 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: msnimje

http://www.observer.com/thepoliticker/2005/03/quotable-rudy.html


39 posted on 10/02/2005 12:39:18 PM PDT by Do not dub me shapka broham ("I'm okay with being unimpressive. It helps me sleep better.")
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To: nj26

That's just a shame..with what's going on in our country today, to be that single mindedly stubborn is just...sad.


40 posted on 10/02/2005 12:43:50 PM PDT by Hildy
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