...........................................Rudy..................................OR......................................Rudy.........................OR....................Rudy Can't Fail
Posted on 10/02/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch
Sunday, Oct. 2, 2005 1:04 p.m. EDT NY'ers Back Rudy Over Hillary for Prez
New York State voters would back former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani for president over home state senator and Democratic Party favorite, Hillary Clinton, according to a Marist College poll released Friday.
Forty-nine percent of New Yorkers say Rudy should run for the White House, while only 40 percent want Hillary Clinton do the same.
While more than two-thirds of Empire State Republicans [67 percent] want Rudy to seek the Oval Office, just 54 percent of Democrats [52 percent] say Hillary should run.
What's more, despite two years worth of media coverage touting her White House bid, an astonishing 36 percent Democrats in that bluest of blue states say Hillary should shelve her presidential ambitions for 2008.
Only 28 percent of Republicans turn thumbs down on President Rudy.
The news is even worse for Mrs. Clinton among those not affiliated with either party - a segment that usually constitutes the all-important "swing-vote" in national elections.
While 51 percent of Independents back Rudy for president, just 38 percent want to see Hillary back in the White House.
A full 57 percent of New York Independents say they oppose a presidential bid by Hillary.
Marist surveyed 707 registered voters in New York on September 26th and 27th. The poll has a margin of error of +/- 4 percent.
...........................................Rudy..................................OR......................................Rudy.........................OR....................Rudy Can't Fail
While liberal Republicans in NY state may want Rudy to run, many conservatives are not eager to be told by the Washington establishment to vote for a pro-abortion, twice-divorced gun-grabber like Rudy.
And, I will predict that Rudy is going to lose a lot of votes to a third-party conservative in 2008. Perhaps enough to put Hillary into office. By contrast, I just don't see Hillary having a chance againt George Allen or any principled conservative candidate.
This faux poll only shows Rudy would might win one state - his own. He'd be toast in the other 49.
Wait, make that 48, he MIGHT win Kalifornia. The only other place in the USA where a Democrat can say he's a Republican and the sheeple buy it.
Rudy has a very good chance of losing "deep red" states like Utah, Oklahoma, Mississippi, South Carolina, and Alabama.
States ranked by public opposition to abortion:
http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2005/50StateAbortion0805SortedbyProLife.htm
Rudy's going to have a heck of a time in any of the 13 states where pro-life voters are a majority, and is likely to lose to a third-party conservative.
Bush is anti-abortion...right? As far as I know Roe v. Wade is still law of the land. Is abortion the biggest issue in the universe? I guess it is to some of you. It think it's misguided to vote for someone who most likely won't do anyone one way or another about it anyway. National Security and strong leadership. That's what's important to me. Someone who's not afraid to piss off the opposition and doesn't apologize for everything. That's what I want. Guiliani is my guy if he runs. Period.
Don't Republicans get a choice?
There's a lot of voters who will NEVER vote for a pro-abortion candidate. Period.
The question is whether the GOP can afford to lose those voters.
Personally, I'm not a one issue voter. Would I vote for Rudy over Hillary? you betcha! in a nano-second.
The make up of SCOTUS will have a lot to do with election '08.
If President Bush gets to replace Stevens and/or Darth-Vader-Ginsberg, then the abortion issue will likely be off the table. If not, then Rudy will NOT be our nominee no matter what.
The GOP cannot afford to lose it's pro-life conservative base, no way. But Giuliani, if he somehow could win the Repub nod (which I doubt) would most surely ask a recognized respected conservative to run with him. Names that come to mind are:
George Allen
Mark Sanford
Jeb Bush
Well said. Rudy will take no prisoners, he will wage an even tougher, meaner campaign than the Clintons.
"Personally, I'm not a one issue voter. Would I vote for Rudy over Hillary? you betcha! in a nano-second."
We should also remember that the grandfather of today's socially-conservative rural Republican was a Roosevelt Democrat. It has been social conservatism that has transformed the rural South from Democrat to Republican over the past 20 year. Hillary may not be the candidate to do it, but the Democrats have an opening to target these voters with economic populism if the Republican party forgets social conservatism.
"The GOP cannot afford to lose it's pro-life conservative base, no way. But Giuliani, if he somehow could win the Repub nod (which I doubt) would most surely ask a recognized respected conservative to run with him."
That sounds like a John Kerry-esque ("I voted for the war before I voted against it") strategy. Rudy needs to decide if he's pro-choice or pro-life. He can't have it both ways.
I watched a movie "Rudy" after 9-11 and it showed him as being pro-life until he wanted to be mayor of NYC, was told his pro-life stance would cost him the election. Don't most switch their views depending on what office they are seeking?
I am afraid the country is going to swing Dem next time unless things turn around in a big way. I'll take Rudy over any Dem. As far as the war on terror, he could do the job and I still think that is the most important issue.
The point is, Hildy, a pro-Life president would do something about abortion if s/he could. A pro-choice president wouldn't. We don't have a crystal ball. We don't know what events may arise that would bring the opportunity to the table, but we need to be ready. As far as being a one-issue party; I think its arguable there are many in that seat; however, remember this. If you can't be born, what's the point of it all?
Agree 100%
. NY Conservatives only run as a Third Party !
You don't need Conservatives in NY to win as a Republican,all you need is the Independant Party.
Wise up Conservatives, elections are not about ABORTION !
Rujdy and Hillary make a good pair, run them as dems.
"I am afraid the country is going to swing Dem next time unless things turn around in a big way. I'll take Rudy over any Dem."
Beyond my personal aversion to Rudy, I'm also not convinced that he's the most electable candidate.
With Rudy as the nominee, I think the GOP has a problem in the southern states. For example, in Mississippi, 37% of the population is African-American. If Hillary holds the African-American vote (and she will, no doubt) and picks up a few white liberals, she will have 40% of the vote and Rudy and a third-party pro-life conservative will be splitting 60% (the moderate/conservative white vote.)
I just don't see how Rudy is going to avoid a strong conservative third-party challenger. And, in that scenario, the outcome is very uncertain.
People who live in the Northeast-and especially this city-have a very insular, cloistered view of Rudy Giuliani the politician, and don't seem to grasp the totality of what this man represents.
They focus on the seemingly endless downsides to any presidential campaign, his extensive-and disconcerting-business relationship with Liberal Party boss Ray Harding, his perpetually chaotic personal life, his backflips on Roe v. Wade and the issue of immigration, his temperament-which I actually think is one of his best assets as both a candidate and public servant-his regrettable endorsement of former Governor Mario Cuomo, etc., etc., etc...
What they fail to realize is that this man has a charismatic personality that is rarely seen on the American political landscape, and an appeal to the American public-one that isn't evanescent, but enduring-that transcends any of these other significant character defects or policy failures.
If there is a single person that can outstrip the inherent limitations built into this sort of presidential candidacy-being the occupant of Gracie Mansion isn't exactly a career booster in the world of politics-it is Rudolph Giuliani.
He can defuse the issue of abortion with one simple statement.
Even though I might not be personally pro-life, I believe that Roe V. Wade was wrongly decided, and that the issue of abortion should be returned to the states, and taken out of the hands of unelected jurists.
Even though that would not satisfy voters who believe that the 14th Amendment enshrines the right to life of all Americans in the Constitution, it would help to return this debate back to where it belongs, i.e. the hands of voters themselves, not untouchable, life-tenured judges.
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