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Germans look forward to life after Schröder
Sunday Times ^ | October 2, 2005 | David Crossland

Posted on 10/02/2005 1:47:26 AM PDT by MadIvan

PREOCCUPIED with running his internet cafe in the historic German city of Dresden, Ingo Nessman does not usually take much interest in politics. But today he will relish the chance of punishing Gerhard Schröder in a vote that could finally loosen the chancellor’s grip on power after two weeks of post-election stalemate.

“I’ve had it up to here with this election,” said Nessman, wiping down his stainless steel bar. “His behaviour is abysmal and I hope he doesn’t make it.”

Tito Gärtner, 35, shopping near the city’s cathedral, did not have any time for the chancellor either. “I hope we give him a bloody nose,” he said. “I can’t stand him any more.”

Dresden’s 219,000 voters are casting their ballots a fortnight after the rest of Germany because of the death of a local candidate. The result will not automatically end Germany’s most protracted political crisis since the second world war. But there are growing signs that with the election completed, Schröder — who won 450,000 fewer voters than Angela Merkel, his challenger, in the September 18 poll — will finally concede defeat during manoeuvring to form a coalition between their parties.

The chancellor put on a predictable show of defiance at a last rally for his supporters from the Social Democratic party (SPD). “I would like to finish what we began at the head of a new government,” he declared to cheering crowds. He denounced Merkel’s Christian Democratic Union (CDU) as “not fit” to lead Germany.

Speaking at her own rally a few streets away, Merkel was equally uncompromising. “Germany needs new policies — and these can only be policies that the CDU has a significant hand in forming,” she said. “When the polling stations close in Dresden, I am certain that the chancellor will gradually see that too.”

Despite the apparent deadlock, Schröder has been softening his position since election night when he tried to present his narrow defeat as a victory, declaring: “It’s clear that nobody apart from me is in a position to form a stable government.”

Even his wife Doris admitted that his performance was “rowdy”, while the German media have compared his reluctance to step down gracefully with that of Julius Caesar.

By last week Schröder was saying that he would do “everything” possible to ensure that his SPD formed a grand coalition with the CDU, a remark widely interpreted as meaning that he would be prepared to resign. During a second round of talks with Merkel he also reportedly remained silent when she reiterated her demand to be chancellor.

The precise timing of his anticipated climbdown remains uncertain. One German newspaper claimed that Schröder, who came to power in 1998, might leave as early as tomorrow — the Day of German Unity when the country celebrates its reunification after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989.

The report was rejected as “total nonsense” by a government spokesman, but analysts said that Schröder may step down later in the week so that coalition talks can begin in earnest. The next round of discussions between the two sides is set for Wednesday.

“He’s trying to drive up the price in terms of policy concessions and cabinet posts,” said Frank Decker, a political scientist at Bonn University. “The way he behaved on election night didn’t look especially calculated and now the priority is to retreat without losing face.”

Speculation is growing about the make-up of the new administration. With Schröder almost certain to leave rather than serve under Merkel, the post of vice-chancellor is expected to go either to Franz Müntefering, the SPD chairman, or to Peer Steinbrück, former state premier of North-Rhine Westfalia.

Merkel’s team is expected to include Edmund Stoiber, the acerbic Bavarian president who ran unsuccessfully against Schröder in the 2002 election, and Wolfgang Schäuble, a veteran former CDU leader confined to a wheelchair since he was paralysed in an assassination attempt in 1990.

While German newspapers continue to devote acres of space to the crisis, many ordinary Germans — especially in Dresden — seem heartily sick of it. “Schröder and Merkel have been behaving like Punch and Judy,” complained one elderly man. “I don’t care who takes power as long as they sit down and agree on something.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: germany; merkel; schroeder; spd
Schroeder is rapidly becoming the Al Gore of European politics.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 10/02/2005 1:47:26 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick; Laurita; Semper911; lutz; Deetes; Barset; fanfan; LadyofShalott; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 10/02/2005 1:47:58 AM PDT by MadIvan (You underestimate the power of the Dark Side - http://www.sithorder.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Merkels do happen.


3 posted on 10/02/2005 1:54:19 AM PDT by sourcery (Givernment: The way the average voter spells "government.")
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To: sourcery
Merkels do happen!!

LOL

Don't bet that Al 'Gerhard' GORE will go anywhere soon.

I learned years ago that in Germany 'consensus' usually boils down to who shouts loudest and longest. They win the arguement and then everyone follows them for a while.

Sad, Germany had a chance to change sooner rather than later, much later.
4 posted on 10/02/2005 2:26:13 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport). . . Don't leave home without it!)
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To: MadIvan
Schroeder is rapidly becoming the Al Gore of European politics.

I agree.

5 posted on 10/02/2005 3:13:13 AM PDT by syriacus (Galloway blusters w/ such a "cute" accent. Did Germans think Hitler's Austrian accent was cute?)
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To: MadIvan
Despite the apparent deadlock, Schröder has been softening his position since election night when he tried to present his narrow defeat as a victory, declaring: “It’s clear that nobody apart from me is in a position to form a stable government.”

The arrogance of this weasel is staggering. And guys like him call Bush arrogant? Here's hoping that this demagogue gets thrown out on his arsch.

6 posted on 10/02/2005 3:17:01 AM PDT by frankiep
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To: MadIvan

Hey Ivan, were you gone for awhile or did I just miss your posts?

If you were gone, I'm glad to see you back!


7 posted on 10/02/2005 3:32:28 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: MadIvan
Re #1

I hope Baader-Meinhof Generation is gone from German politics starting with Schroeder. The generation of deluded narcissists.

8 posted on 10/02/2005 3:50:32 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: MadIvan
I detest Gerhard Schröder with a passion. But the people of Dresden are voting with their pensions uppermost in mind today. I'm watching this election very carefully. Read More on German Election?
9 posted on 10/02/2005 4:05:36 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Mathew 7:1 through 6)
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To: MadIvan
“I’ve had it up to here with this election. His behaviour is abysmal and I hope he doesn’t make it.”

Takes me back.

10 posted on 10/02/2005 4:11:28 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: frankiep
algore had 36 days to pretend he was the president, this guy's only been hanging on to a clear loss for two weeks.

He wants to make sure the people suffer a little longer before he gets off the stage.

11 posted on 10/02/2005 4:33:20 AM PDT by OldFriend (One Man With Courage Makes a Majority ~ Andrew Jackson)
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Face it, Schroeder: You're the "5th Beatle". You've been voted OFF the island. You're like morality to a Democrat. It's time to go...
12 posted on 10/02/2005 5:20:16 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: MadIvan
The German system of politics remains inchanged since the Weimar days. Their insiduous parliamentary system is what allowed Hitler with a mere 36.8% of the vote to become chancellor. It's much the same throughout Europe where parties with pluralities remain in power representing minorities or coalition of minorities. It's time for Europeans to seriously consider establishing republics with separation of powers on the American model so that bipolar parties arise instead of the multiparty crap they have over there at the moment. The current system encourages and gives power out of all proportion to fringe parties which pulls the political systems away from a center.



13 posted on 10/02/2005 7:13:54 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

We use to have a bipolar party system, with the CDU/CSU on the one side and the SPD on the other and some small parties aside. It´s the first time in our post-war history, that none of the two blocs has a majority in parliament. Repeat: the first time! Nobody wants to play with the Commies, so they´re out. It looks like we´ll get a coalition of CDU/CSU and the SPD, and it won´t last longer than 2 years. The difference between our system and the Weimar system is, that only parties with more than 5% are represented in parliament and that a Chancellor needs a majority in parliament (and not only an appointment by the President). This has brought us stability for 56 years, while the Weimar Republic lasted not as long as the government of Helmut Kohl (Chancellor between 1982 and 1998).


14 posted on 10/02/2005 11:31:40 AM PDT by Michael81Dus
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To: Michael81Dus
The problem is endemic to the parliamentary model and is not limited to Germany. Under what system could Tony Blair and Labor get 40% of the vote and the paers call that a landslide? The British system gives a bit more stability under their constituency system than proportional representation, but it is still open to the same unfairness that all parliamentary systems bring about. The fact that a chancelor or prime minister has full executive powers besides controling the legislative functions lends itself to radical policies being implemented and makes it difficult to reverse direction should things go wrong and the opposition take over.

By no means do I claim the American system is perfect, but at least it gives us more flexibility and prevemnts the executive branch from acting by fiat. The separation of powers between the branches also acts as a moderator ptreventing radical policies which are often the resuklt of momentary passions from being put into place too hastily. Europe is in the morass that it is precisely because governments have no moderating mechanism to stop the implementation of destructive policies.

There are also other differences that differentiate our system as well, but I will leave those for another time.



15 posted on 10/02/2005 11:46:13 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: MadIvan

Good, good. Everything is transpiring as I have forseen it.


16 posted on 10/02/2005 12:45:00 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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