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Spider 'is 20 million years old'
BBCNews ^ | 9/30/05 | BBCNEWS

Posted on 09/30/2005 9:17:27 AM PDT by bigmac0707

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To: Alter Kaker
The dating of the amber is published in Science, Vol 273, Issue 5283, 1850-1852 , 27 September 1996. It's basically stratigraphic/palaeogeographic, although NMR results on the exomethylene signals are in approximate agreement.

Abstract:The age and depositional history of Dominican amber-bearing deposits have not been well constrained. Resinites of different ages exist in Hispaniola, but all of the main amberiferous deposits in the Dominican Republic (including those famous for yielding biological inclusions) were formed in a single sedimentary basin during the late Early Miocene through early Middle Miocene (15 to 20 million years ago), according to available biostratigraphic and paleogeographic data. There is little evidence for extensive reworking or redeposition, in either time or space. The brevity of the depositional interval (less than 5 million years) provides a temporal benchmark that can be used to calibrate rates of molecular evolution in amber taxa.

61 posted on 09/30/2005 9:52:23 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: TheGhostOfTomPaine

BCE is nothing more than the latest new age crap! The years mark the time in reference to the Birth of Jesus Christ!

What do you think this "common era" is? other than "common ignorance" of history promulgated by the anti-Christina anti-American leftists of the world.


62 posted on 09/30/2005 9:53:10 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: ElkGroveDan
A closer look:


63 posted on 09/30/2005 9:53:25 AM PDT by quark
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To: hombre_sincero
It is very odd that for some strange reason, a monkey became a man instantaneously by chance and was suddenly smart enough to have language and record his history.

Evolution says nothing of the sort, but you probably knew that.

64 posted on 09/30/2005 9:53:37 AM PDT by ThinkDifferent (That's great. What?)
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To: hombre_sincero
The years mark the time in reference to the Birth of Jesus Christ!

Which is now thought to have been in 6 B.C.? :-)

65 posted on 09/30/2005 9:55:17 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: bigmac0707
As I understand it, C-14 half life is about 5,700 yrs. It seems that that would make it impossible to date something over 11,400 yrs old using this method.

Not exactly. "Half life" means, statistically speaking, half of the C14 has decayed. at 5700 years, there would be 1/2 as much as at 0. At 11,400 years, there would be half of that, or 1/4 what there was at time 0. At 17,100 years, half of that (1/8 of time 0), etc. At least until the amount left was so small that the method would be no longer reliable for comparison.

The method also assumes the C12 to C14 ratio to be constant through time, at least up until people started popping nukes.

Contamination can be a problem, too.

66 posted on 09/30/2005 9:56:17 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: newcats

Well, we agree on something.


67 posted on 09/30/2005 9:56:35 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: hombre_sincero
And maybe his last day WAS only 4004 BC

I'm sorry, it wasn't. I don't know how else to respond. What kind of evidence do you want? Historical, geological, paleontological, archaeological, anthropological, cosmological... I'm really not sure how to debate this. No serious person can believe that the world was created 6000 or 12000 years ago.

(What is this BCE? leftist atheist terms?)

I am not a leftist nor am I an atheist nor am I a Christian. I do not consider Jesus to be the Messiah, so I will not refer to the era as "before Christ." I'd refer to dates as BJ (before Jesus) but that would evoke too much confusion and snickering.

a monkey became a man instantaneously by chance

Who says a monkey became a man instantanoeusly by chance? I've never heard such nonsense. How can you hope to argue with evolutionary biology if you so clearly can't understand even its rudiments?

68 posted on 09/30/2005 9:56:57 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: MeanWestTexan

So, this old boy was down to his last 1.5 PPM, eh?


69 posted on 09/30/2005 9:57:17 AM PDT by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: ThinkDifferent

Yeah, it was gradual, over millions of years, yet no transitional ape/human fossils. But we'll find them one of these years. Keep the faith.


70 posted on 09/30/2005 9:58:52 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: hombre_sincero
The years mark the time in reference to the Birth of Jesus Christ!

I will use the Gregorian calendar, but I will not refer to Jesus as "Christ". You have a choice: BCE or BJ (before Jesus).

71 posted on 09/30/2005 9:59:05 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: hombre_sincero; Alter Kaker

BCE is nothing more than the latest new age crap! The years mark the time in reference to the Birth of Jesus Christ!

What do you think this "common era" is? other than "common ignorance" of history promulgated by the anti-Christina anti-American leftists of the world.

You need to calm down. "Common era" refers to the era in which Judaism and Christianity have coexisted. It is indeed supposed to date from the birth of Jesus, but it omits the Christian reference to Jesus as "the Christ" out of respect for the fact that Jews don't regard him as such.

72 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:07 AM PDT by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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To: ThinkDifferent

Yeah - but they keep insisting that man was a monkey (ape or whichever) --- and they will NEVER find a missing link for that connection. A real one I should say since the anti-Judeo/Christians will eventually create their missing link "god" in their own image.

If there was one, it would have been much easier to find than even 'java man' - 'lucy' - etc since it would have been much later and in much higher numbers.


73 posted on 09/30/2005 10:00:32 AM PDT by hombre_sincero (www.spadata.com)
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To: Red Badger

Most of the people I date are suspects....


74 posted on 09/30/2005 10:02:22 AM PDT by When do we get liberated? ((God save us from the whining, useless, irrelevent left...))
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To: mlc9852
"How do you suppose he came to the conclusion it was 20 million years old?"

Because it was 19,999,997 years old when he found it, and that was three years ago.

75 posted on 09/30/2005 10:03:16 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: When do we get liberated?

All of my daughter's dates are suspects........or convicts......


76 posted on 09/30/2005 10:03:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (In life, you don't get what you deserve. You get what you settle for...........)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Oh, ok. Now I understand!


77 posted on 09/30/2005 10:03:53 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

> yet no transitional ape/human fossils

Except, of course, that a multitude of such fossils have been found.


78 posted on 09/30/2005 10:03:56 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Alter Kaker
Bishop Ussher tells us the world was formed as it is in the year 4004 BCE.

Do you believe everything he tells you?

79 posted on 09/30/2005 10:05:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: mlc9852
Yeah, it was gradual, over millions of years, yet no transitional ape/human fossils.

What on earth are you talking about? "Archaic" Homo Sapiens, Homo erectus, Homo ergaster, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo antecessor, Homo rudolfensis, Homo habilis, Australopithecus garhi, Australopithecus robustus, Australopithecus bosei, Australopithecus aethiopicus, Australopithecus bahrelghazali, Australopithecus africanus, Australopithecus afarensis, Kenyathropus playops, Australopithecus anamensis, Ardipithecus ramidus, Orrorin tugenensis... you mean other than these there are no transitional species?

I'm not sure I understand.

80 posted on 09/30/2005 10:05:53 AM PDT by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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