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Bush selling out America
North County Times/The Californian ^ | Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2005 | Freeman Sawyer

Posted on 09/30/2005 5:07:37 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

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To: A.Hun
Look at what Bush has accomplished, instead of complaining about a wingnut wishlist not being fulfilled.

Using your reasoning, approximately 75% of Americans are wingnuts because that's how many Americans want our government to do something to solve our country's illegal immigration problem.

121 posted on 09/30/2005 1:30:39 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: RebelBanker
The problem I have seen is the difficulty in separating legal from illegal immigration. Too many Hispanic US citizens and legal immigrants see anti-illegal sentiment as racist. The liberal media is certainly spinning it that way as it pertains to conservatives and/or Republicans. This is prevalent in the Spanish-speaking media (according to Mrs. Reb, who is from Puerto Rico) which is even more liberal than the English-speaking media.

I agree that finding a solution to the problem of illegal immigration is going to be difficult because there are many different groups involved in this issue, with several groups being on the pro-illegal immigration side and several groups being on the anti-illegal immigration side. Illegal immigration is another example of our government letting a problem get out-of-control before it steps in and tries to resolve it. But no matter what is finally done to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, a lot of people are going to be very unhappy with our government's "solution".

123 posted on 09/30/2005 1:45:40 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: A.Hun
But I'm with you, if an illegal is caught in a criminal act, he should be deported immediately.

Sorry to say, your not with me. ANY illegal that is discovered should be deported. That is the LAW, and not enforcing the law is what has got me steamed.

These people are not Americans, and they have no right to be here, period. They are all criminals, they have violated our laws, and the government ignores it on purpose. The INS is neutered.

124 posted on 09/30/2005 3:25:11 PM PDT by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: judgeandjury

Bush has offered repeatedly his plan. It's not conservative enough for many of you, so you ignore it. All I hear is "NO AMNESTY".

He realizes as I do that repatriating every illegal immigrant in the US to their native country is impossible. Many of these people have children born in the US and are citizens. The logistics themselves would be a nightmare.

Having an armed border without Mexican involvement is only an exercise in futility that would end up with an enemy instead of an ally to our south. WIthout the income garnered by the illegal aliens, Mexico could collapse financially. That would only breed more problems for our nation.

The majority of the latins that have immigrated here are God fearing, hard working family people trying to better themselves. I don't see where that is bad for us. The only way you will ever stop the immigration problem is for Mexico to reach parity with the US in quality of life.

A reasonable work program for immigrants, matched with an ID program to weed out the criminal and terrorist element will not satisfy you. That coupled with a set time limit for remaining in the US is a good plan. If you can't get behind it...tough.

I have had enough of the anti-immigration crap by people who have not thought out the long term consequences of closing the borders.


125 posted on 09/30/2005 3:25:14 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: DogByte6RER

BUMP!


126 posted on 09/30/2005 3:29:35 PM PDT by meema
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To: A.Hun; All
I have had enough of the anti-immigration crap by people who have not thought out the long term consequences of closing the borders.

You are in a tiny minority. Most American Mexicans want the borders secured. NO one said anything about "immigration", only illegal immigration.

I have had enough of the open border crap by people who have not thought out the long term consequences of NOT closing the borders. As has MOST of America.

http://www.weneedafence.com/

127 posted on 09/30/2005 3:33:59 PM PDT by WatchingInAmazement (Mi Tierra Es Mi Tierra--my land is my land.)
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To: WatchingInAmazement
I'm sorry you missed my point. I'm not for illegal immigration. How about just a reasonable approach to the problem we have.
128 posted on 09/30/2005 3:41:08 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: WatchingInAmazement

And by the way, because you have a majority, doesn't guarantee that you are right.


129 posted on 09/30/2005 3:43:55 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: after dark

Excellent ideas and I believe they are part of GWB and Rove's thinking on this issue.


130 posted on 09/30/2005 3:55:00 PM PDT by defenderSD (At half past midnight, the ghost of Vince Foster wanders through the West Wing.)
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To: A.Hun
"I have had enough of the anti-immigration crap by people who have not thought out the long term consequences of closing the borders."

And we've had more than enough of the "can't be done--too many of 'em" defeatest bullhockey coming out of the pro-illegal alien enablers, apologists and supporters around here.

If you want to support the Bush shamnesty proposal, that's up to you. Just don't expect the rest of us to buy it.

In case you haven't noticed, your views are in the minority at FR as well as across the country.

132 posted on 09/30/2005 4:30:48 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: DogByte6RER

Another California Bircher type who makes a few good points.


133 posted on 09/30/2005 4:31:58 PM PDT by Clemenza (Gentlemen, Behold!)
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To: stuartcr

In my mind, your answer: "...'demanding something from someone on an anonymous web forum, is a good way to hear God laugh'"

As I explained, my "demand" was rhetorical.


134 posted on 09/30/2005 4:37:22 PM PDT by purpleland (Vigilance and Valour!)
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To: Czar

Yea, I understand that. I held the same views until recently.

But I no longer believe, with everything else going on in this nation at this time, that closing the borders and deporting everyone in sight is viable.

I support the job that the Minutemen are doing. I would like to see the flow of illegals stopped. But the Feds can't do it now for many reasons. I know that if a suitcase nuke or biological comes in over the border, we are gonna pay horribly. Bush's political consequences won't even matter then.

I also believe that even with a closed southern border, dedicated terrorists will find a way to get in. That is the basis for my support of the war in Iraq. Kill the bad gys first.

All the ecomomic and cultural impacts to the nation are debatable. I see them primarily as a wash. Our nation might end up a little more brown, and a little more Catholic but thats about it. They are a drain through social programs but offset that with cheap labor. One thing I personally have seen, these Latins coming in legally or illegally want to be AMERICANS. Just like my great great grandfather.

With all that in mind, its not GEORGE BUSH's FAULT. Harping on what a terrible job he is doing only gives Dems more ammo against him, and by God he deserves a break.

Flame away, i've got asbestos underwear on!


135 posted on 09/30/2005 4:49:49 PM PDT by A.Hun ("I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do" Heinlein)
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To: chris1

Call anyone with a Nextel phone and you will see what the heck is going on.

These past few years have been a nightmare in these areas.


*I know what you mean. "Sabe verdad que usted habla." (My pigeon Spanish)


136 posted on 09/30/2005 4:51:12 PM PDT by purpleland (Vigilance and Valour!)
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To: DogByte6RER

The writer is correct.

One only need witness the Administrations position on the Minuteman Project...

Bush (voted twice for him) has sold us out on this...

The Republican Party has nothing to do with a Republic.

Its big business, big governement 24/7

FLAMERS:
The facts are clear, the results are plain. Don't bore me with your Bush Love Affair...


137 posted on 09/30/2005 4:53:56 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: purpleland

I guess my gracious answer was rhetorical too, that must have been why I heard laughter from above...


138 posted on 09/30/2005 4:55:16 PM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: DogByte6RER
The Bush loving Fogheads on this board are going to go wild on this...

My message to them is this:

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE DAMN COFFEE YOU OSTRICHES...EVERYTHING IS IRRELEVANT UNLESS YOU PROTECT AND DEFEND THE BORDERS, LANGUAGE AND CULTURE...

BUSH HAS FAILED US...BUT IT PROBABLY FITS HIS OWN AGENDA...
139 posted on 09/30/2005 4:57:51 PM PDT by antaresequity
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To: Ranger Drew

NEITHER party is interested in the good of the country. They are only interested in power and money.

Is anyone around here paying attention? It is starting to smell like Sheep Crap around here...anyone else smelling that too?

140 posted on 09/30/2005 5:01:53 PM PDT by antaresequity
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