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Ex-Teacher Testifies in Evolution Case [Day 3 of trial in Dover, PA]
The Intelligencer (PA) via phillyBurbs ^ | 28 September 2005 | MARTHA RAFFAELE

Posted on 09/28/2005 4:11:22 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A former physics teacher testified that his rural school board ignored faculty protests before deciding to introduce the theory of "intelligent design" to high school students.

"I saw a district in which teachers were not respected for their professional expertise," Bryan Rehm, a former teacher at Dover High School, said Tuesday.

Rehm, who now teaches in another district, is a plaintiff in the nation's first trial over whether public schools can teach "intelligent design."

Eight Dover families are trying to have the controversial theory removed from the curriculum, arguing that it violates the constitutional separation of church and state. They say it effectively promotes the Bible's view of creation.

Proponents of intelligent design argue that life on Earth was the product of an unidentified intelligent force, and that Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms.

Aralene "Barrie" Callahan, a former member of the Dover school board and another plaintiff in the case, said that at least two board members made statements during meetings that made her believe the new policy was religiously based.

At a retreat in March 2003, a board member "expressed he did not believe in evolution and if evolution was part of the biology curriculum, creationism had to be shared 50-50," Callahan testified.

At a school board meeting in June 2004, when she was no longer on the board, Callahan recalled another board member complaining that a biology book recommended by the administration was "laced with Darwinism."

"They were pretty much downplaying evolution as something that was credible," she said.

In October 2004, the board voted 6-3 to require teachers to read a brief statement about intelligent design to students before classes on evolution. The statement says Darwin's theory is "not a fact" and has inexplicable "gaps," and refers students to an intelligent-design textbook for more information.

In a separate development Tuesday, two freelance newspaper reporters who covered the school board in June 2004 both invoked their First Amendment rights and declined to provide a deposition to lawyers for the school district.

Both are expected in court Wednesday to respond to a subpoena to testify at trial, said Niles Benn, a lawyer for the papers. Lawyers for the school district have questioned the accuracy of articles in which the reporters wrote that board members discussed creationism during public meetings.

In other testimony Tuesday, plaintiff Tammy Kitzmiller said that in January, her younger daughter opted out of hearing the statement - an option given all students - putting her in an awkward position.

"My 14-year-old daughter had to make the choice between staying in the classroom and being confused ... or she had to be singled out and face the possible ridicule of her friends and classmates," she said.

The Dover Area School District, which serves about 3,500 students, is believed to be the nation's first school system to mandate that students be exposed to the intelligent design concept. It argues it is not endorsing any religious view and only letting students know there are differences of opinion about evolution.

The non-jury trial is expected to take five weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevolist; crevorepublic; dover; enoughalready; evolution; scienceeducation
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To: HighlyOpinionated

Why is it that whenever creationists want to slander evolution, they call it "religion?"


21 posted on 09/28/2005 7:12:41 AM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: PatrickHenry
The ACLU is building a devastating case, step by step. That the Dover policy has the primary purpose of establishing a religious idea is being demonstrated so many ways it'll be impossible to counter. Don't the Thomas More guys understand this? Are they seriously expecting to overturn Lemon on appeal?

While I often detest their politics, nobody should kid themselves the ACLU don't have a great bunch of lawyers.

22 posted on 09/28/2005 7:24:13 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Junior

Whatever happened to SeaLion?


23 posted on 09/28/2005 7:31:53 AM PDT by From many - one.
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To: From many - one.
Maybe SeaLion was caught by evolution?
24 posted on 09/28/2005 7:55:26 AM PDT by MHalblaub (Tell me in four more years (No, I did not vote for Kerry))
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To: Right Wing Professor
Are they seriously expecting to overturn Lemon on appeal?

Yeah, that's one of the things bothering me about this case too. If the Thomas More folks were looking for a test case, this one sure wasn't it. The Dover Board's actions only have to fail a single prong of the Lemon test, and it's obvious that they're going to fail 1 and 2, with a healthy suggestion that they'll fail prong 3 as well.

You know what I really don't understand though? Why on earth any religious person would want to place religious doctrine in the government arena to begin with. I really, really don't get that at all. I mean, just picture this scenario....they win, and suddenly ID and then creationism become part of public school curriculum. Suddenly, you have government actors deciding the proper way to teach religious doctrine. Do the creationist advocates really think this is a good idea? Our schools can barely teach English properly, and these folks want them to teach their children proper religious doctrine?

25 posted on 09/28/2005 7:57:28 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: PatrickHenry
The statement says Darwin's theory is "not a fact"

Evolution is a "theory" about how species evolve. But Evolution also does occur, and thus it is a "fact" as well.

Like gravity, which is a scientific "theory", but things do indeed fall when we drop them, making gravity a "fact".

Nuclear "theory" can also be observed when fission reactors operate, making it a "fact".

Music "theory" taught in most colleges can be observed as a "fact" by turning on the radio.

26 posted on 09/28/2005 7:57:41 AM PDT by narby
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To: nmh
I'm happy to say that MY God did create the earth in 7 lteral 24 hour days

Well then "your God" is a liar because He left enormous evidence in many different scientific disciplines that contradict a literal 6 day creation.

Either that or the Catholics are right in their interpretation of Genesis and you're wrong.

27 posted on 09/28/2005 8:01:31 AM PDT by narby
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To: Right Wing Professor

I rather doubt anyone will appeal. The case will be decided on facts, and I don't think anyone in the ID movement wants this set as a new and binding precident.

DI has good lawyers too, which is why they stayed out.


28 posted on 09/28/2005 8:01:56 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: From many - one.

Dunno. Some creo type didn't like him and hit the abuse button.


29 posted on 09/28/2005 8:03:42 AM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: nmh

Ignorance must really be bliss. I guess it is better to be ignorant and 'saved' than educated about how things really are and 'damned.'


30 posted on 09/28/2005 8:04:16 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: NVD
Your links do nothing to show that ID is scientifically incorrect.

Let's see...PH posted those links at 6:15...you started posting on this thread slightly under an hour later. We're all to understand that you read and comprehended that entire body of material, including the additional links in Ichneumon's post, in under an hour, and came to the above brilliant conclusion. Uh huh.

31 posted on 09/28/2005 8:04:21 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: NVD

That's because the basic premise of ID is not scientifically testable. It's not science and should not be taught as such.


32 posted on 09/28/2005 8:05:42 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: doc30
Ignorance must really be bliss. I guess it is better to be ignorant and 'saved' than educated about how things really are and 'damned.'

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head with regard to ID/creationist motivations....

33 posted on 09/28/2005 8:08:33 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: Chiapet
You know what I really don't understand though? Why on earth any religious person would want to place religious doctrine in the government arena to begin with.

You bring up a good point. Many Christians see this as the beach head needed to take back schools from a secular educational cirriculum. They don't see your logic in that if the schools mess up regular subjects, how badly will they mess up the religious concepts they want to introduce?

34 posted on 09/28/2005 8:10:34 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Chiapet
Do the creationist advocates really think this is a good idea?

After quite a bit of time on creationist threads, I've concluded that many creationists don't think.

Our schools can barely teach English properly, and these folks want them to teach their children proper religious doctrine?

Which demonstrates my point about creationists not thinking. Not only would the public schools teach religious doctrine badly, but Christians would never agree on what the proper religious doctrine to teach. Since there are probably 1000+ Christian denominations, many which disagree vehemently on doctrine, it would be impossible for public schools to teach religion without some other Christian objecting.

35 posted on 09/28/2005 8:11:15 AM PDT by narby
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To: Chiapet; Right Wing Professor
Suddenly, you have government actors deciding the proper way to teach religious doctrine. Do the creationist advocates really think this is a good idea?

Tyranny is always appealing to those who would be tryants.

36 posted on 09/28/2005 8:11:17 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: narby
Since there are probably 1000+ Christian denominations, many which disagree vehemently on doctrine, it would be impossible for public schools to teach religion without some other Christian objecting.

Precisely! Proper religious doctrine is just about the one thing you can count on "true believers" to disagree about to the point of violence. Well, with the possible exception of Zen Buddhists.

The true believers that I have encountered on this site alone are vehemently opposed to government interference in almost all aspects of their lives. How can they not see this as the ultimate in government interference? How can they not see the government taking absolute advantage of the opportunity to teach "proper" doctrine? To me, this is the primary purpose of the protection of the First Amendment. Keeping religion separated from government isn't just about protecting the non-religious from religion. It is primarily and originally about protecting religion from government. Putting religion back into the schools would be the first step in government taking over religion, IMO.

37 posted on 09/28/2005 8:20:26 AM PDT by Chiapet (Cthulhu for President: Why vote for a lesser evil?)
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To: kpp_kpp
Actually the God this nation was founded under is a Deist God, not the Christian God, and as such he is considered to be a god of noninterference who has no need or desire to be worshiped or adored by us. Nor does he insist that we blindly follow the demands of others who allegedly speak for him.

But more to the point of your witty post, none of those situations you mention are not trying to wedge their way into science through deceit. They are at least honest about what they say.

38 posted on 09/28/2005 8:43:29 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: Antonello; kpp_kpp
Boy, that was an ugly sentence. It should have read: '...none of those situations you mention are trying to wedge their way into science by deceit....'
39 posted on 09/28/2005 8:51:22 AM PDT by Antonello
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To: nmh
Regardless of what is decided here, I'm happy to say that MY God did create the earth in 7 lteral 24 hour days and it didn't take millions or billions of years for Him to do it and He is NO ape. I don't know what "god" these other folks believe in if they believe in a "god" at all.

Do you even know the history of the Book of Genesis that you are putting so much faith into? Not the history in it, but the history of where it came from and how it got included in the bible.

40 posted on 09/28/2005 8:54:25 AM PDT by Antonello
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