Posted on 09/27/2005 3:19:25 PM PDT by dagnabbit
Notice the word "Islamic" appears no where in the article.
Bush's fault.
Hmmm. Then I guess I'll volunteer to be the token neo-con craven American (of the orthodox persuasion).
my ancestors, too.
Sounds like one of those tough C.A.I.R. condemnations. Pig poop be upon all Muslims!
"MUSLIMS ARE MORE HONORABLE THAN YOU CRAVEN AMERICANS"
Really? Is this why our guys are killing dozens of armed terrorists every day in Iraq and Afghanistan and, if the truth be known, many other places as well?
Do you consider this less honorable than murdering an unarmed woman in the streets of a peaceful European city?
I rejoice at the ongoing extermination of the ignorant jihadi vermin. I even killed some myself in Somalia in 1993, cowards and fools all of them, it was 50-1 in their favor and we still won. With all our firepoower we can defeat you at 500-1 odds and have done so more than once. Btw, the IDF is coming. Time to run to mama, assuming you and your pig-dad haven't butchered her yet.
Too bad if you have, the media and Ward Churchill are a poor substitute as human shields, and getting worse.
Sorry about that, dag. My message is obviously for the defunct #3, on the off-chance that it is still lurking here. Death to terrorists, death to traitors, death to media tools.
Well, maybe this was one of the reasons our ancestors took a hike or sail, whatever.
Who are the Craven-Americans and what country are they from?
LOL
I use the term "damaged goods" in the literal sense, with respect to bride price
Marriage arrangements in villages and among the lower and traditional middle classes of urban areas tend to follow traditional patterns. When a young man is judged ready for marriage, his parents will visit the parents of a girl whom they believe to be a suitable match. In many cases, the man will have already expressed an interest in the girl and have asked his parents to begin these formalities. If the girl's parents show similar interest in the union, the conversation quickly turns to money. There must be an agreement on the amont of the bride-price that will be given to the bride's family at the time of marriage. In principle this payment is supposed to compensate the girl's family for her loss, but in practice it is used primarily to finance the cost of the wedding. The exact sum varies according to the wealth, social position, and degree of kinship of the two families.If the girl does not marry who she's contracted to marry, or she does something that renders her unwanted, I'm guessing the girls parents have to do a refund. This would tend to piss them off
Damn, I missed the fun.
Suddenly, I had a crave'n for a bacon sandwich. Beats goat, camel, or little boys any day.
My grandfather, Alfred Christensen, came to America from Copenhagen when he was 21, via a merchant ship; he then married a 2nd generation Swede.
Overall, I'm pretty proud of the Danes, especially for their excellent treatment of their Jewish citizens during World War II. Sweden also had a great hand in saving many Jewish lives.
I applaud Nazir for speaking out against it and hoping for a breath of fresh air from it in his new homeland of Denmark, but he needs to be careful, or they'll be gunning for him, too. I hope 'Nazir' is not his real name. It will take a lot to change, to demonize these criminal acts called 'honor' killings. This is at least a start.
The logic of tribal tradition turns conceptions of victim and perpetrator, right or wrong on their own head: women who are killed or flee a killing are not victims but are considered guilty in the tribal setting. The man to whom a woman belongs, whether a wife, sister or daughter, has to kill her to restore his honour. He is the victim as he has suffered loss first to his honour and then of the woman he has to kill. Consequently he is the aggrieved person with whom the sympathies with the tribal setting lie, not the possibly innocent woman he killed. A man whose honour has been damaged must publicly demonstrate his power to safeguard it by killing those that damaged it and therefore restore it. In the tribal setting an honour killing is not a crime but a legitimate action, seen as the appropriate punishment for those who contravene the honour code. The man who kills for reasons of honour becomes ghairatman (possessing honour) and is morally and legally supported by his kinsmen. A man's ability to protect his honour is judged by his family and his neighbours and is taunted by tano ( institution bordering insult ) that he is " socially impotent" and beghairat (without honour) if he fails to kill a woman of his household who has damaged his honour. Honour Killings are consequently not hidden away but openly performed, often ritually and with the maximum spilling blood. Further, the family of alleged karo never kill as they do not lose honour-on contrary by capturing other man's wife or daughter, they have increased their honour.Put into street terms: she "dissed" her family somehow. They cannot afford to be seen as people who can be F'ed with, so the relative had to pop some caps into her to show that the homies are not to be F'ed with. More:
Origin Of Honour-Killings:
Originally a Baluch and Pashtun tribal custom, honour killings are founded in the twin concepts of honour and commodification of women. Women are married off for a bride price paid to the father. This was basically a baloch and pashtun tribal custom, honour killings are not only reported in Baluchistan, NWFP and Upper Sindh which has a Baloch influx, but in Punjab province as well. If this commodity is 'damaged' the proprietor, the father or husband, has a right to compensation. If a husband kills his wife for alleged sexual misbehaviour and alleged 'lover' gets away, the latter has to pay the husband compensation, for the wife that was lost and for his own life, which was spared. Often the dead woman's alleged 'lover' hands over a sister to the husband, in addition to a larger amount of money.
You should be proud. Denmark, like all of Europe, was different back then. They were devout, pious, brave and honorable, for the most part. My great grandfather Peter Jensen was born in Svendborg. He emigrated and married a fine Scots lass (which may explain why so many people ask me about my weird accent). My husband's great grandmother came from Skanderborg. We are also proud of our Scandanavian heritage. I just hope the source of that heritage can stand up to possible Islamification.
According to the MSM, If it bleeds, it leads, and both husband and wife are doing plenty of bleeding.
How did you come across this story?
They're originally from Craven, you dope!
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