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ANARCHY! - New Illegal Immigrants to U.S. Surpass Legal Immigrants
wash po ^ | Tuesday, September 27, 2005 | By D'Vera Cohn

Posted on 09/27/2005 2:11:07 PM PDT by dennisw

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To: NJ_gent
If you believe they are in this country illegally, are you going to report them?

Strictly hypothetical, but no, I would not report them.

61 posted on 09/27/2005 3:02:39 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: chris1
If mexico declared war on us...

Next.

62 posted on 09/27/2005 3:03:32 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
False. Source it.

B$, not calling it an amnesty program, doesn't change the outcome, and you know it. I guess more than a few congress critters noticed that too, since it never saw the light of day.

63 posted on 09/27/2005 3:03:47 PM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: PRND21; itsahoot
PRND21, earlier you asked when has immigration law been enforced. itsahoot answered as follows:

itsahoot - When President Eisenhower introduced "Operation Wetback"

You responded to that with:

PRND21 - That was a guest worker plan...

PRND21, are you saying that Operation Wetback was a guest worker program?

64 posted on 09/27/2005 3:04:32 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: NJ_gent
One caused something like an 80% drop in the attempted entries in its zone

They still came, therefore the plan was ineffectual.
Good non-hysterical points, though.

65 posted on 09/27/2005 3:05:04 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

You are flat out lying about one of the most important issues we face.

Illegal invaders caused a hospital near me (Port Chester, NY) to close because they never paid their bills.

Illegal invaders account for a huge amount of violent crime and are hard to track down because of no documentation.

Even if you were to do a background check on one of these guys, how would you know who they were? They all go by four and five names.

Those who deal with these people the most and see their net effect are the ones who want them out, not the other way around.


66 posted on 09/27/2005 3:05:29 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: PRND21

Thriving economy or not illegals would still be crossing because the freebies here are much better than in their homeland.

GW is the greatest asset to the Clinton Pres. in 08, we can all thank GW for destroying any chance of a so called conservative after the crap he has pulled. GW has given a bad name to conservatives.


67 posted on 09/27/2005 3:06:30 PM PDT by sasafras (Want to get rid of illegals then take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: NJ_gent
President Bush Proposes New Temporary Worker Program

Where's the amnesty part? That would mean Tancredo's plan is an amnesty, as well. Is it?

68 posted on 09/27/2005 3:06:54 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

Ok fine, if some arab nation declared war on us and 20 million of its citizens here then what?

It is a slap in the face of legal immigrants to allow this lawlessness to continue.


69 posted on 09/27/2005 3:07:06 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: chris1
Until you see it happen in your hood,

I live in Los Angeles proper and you are hysterical.

70 posted on 09/27/2005 3:08:05 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21

You are Dane in another name. You obviously are not informed factually abount this issue or topic. The details of GWB's plan are nothing more than amnesty in another name.


71 posted on 09/27/2005 3:08:49 PM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: PRND21
When were they enforced? Also, do you favor a guest worker plan?

Good question, when were they ever enforced? I DO favor a guest worker program, but only after the 15M ILLEGAL aliens here have all been deported, the borders are secure, and the Congress/President deomonstrate they are willing to enforce immigration laws.

In other words, likely NEVER!

Legal immigration - YES!

ILLEGAL immigration - NO!!

72 posted on 09/27/2005 3:09:11 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: onyx eyes

My point is simple. People who come here legally generally go to work because they can't legally come in if they have no means of support unless it's an asylum visa.

Just last weekend a Russian immigrant moved in with my wife and I and has a job waiting for her when she gets settled in. Because she's here legally she cannot be abused or taken advantage of by her employer. She will be paying taxes and her employer will be paying taxes and she will be a full contributer to American society.

Best of all, she WANTS TO BE AN AMERICAN.


73 posted on 09/27/2005 3:10:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: PRND21
"They still came, therefore the plan was ineffectual."

Nothing will ever be 100% effective 100% of the time. An 80% drop on the first try is incredible, in my opinion. A nation-wide 80% drop in attempts would be an enormous boost to this country's border security. However, I think we can improve upon our first attempt. I think we can hit 95%+ without getting ridiculous in terms of cost.

Besides, the number of people attempting to enter the country matters a whole lot less than the number of people who actually got into the country. When you reduce the former, it becomes far easier and cheaper to reduce the latter.
74 posted on 09/27/2005 3:13:49 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: PRND21
The destinations of new immigrants have broadened, the report noted. A smaller share now heads for the traditional gateways of New York and California, the study said, while more now go to "new settlement states" such as Georgia, North Carolina, Iowa, Utah and Delaware.

I live in Los Angeles proper and you are hysterical.

Your not reading. The rest of the country has been getting a nice taste of this for past ten years now. It will only get worse for them. This we know for a fact.

75 posted on 09/27/2005 3:14:04 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: DumpsterDiver
Good point. It was a result of a guest worker plan.

We brought all those "wetbacks" here to feed America during WWII.

They were needed, then not needed and sent home.

Who would replace them now? Seen those unemployment numbers?

76 posted on 09/27/2005 3:15:20 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
Where's the amnesty part? That would mean Tancredo's plan is an amnesty, as well. Is it?

I don't know all the details of Bush's plan for a guest worker program, but Tancredo's plan would require applicants for a guest worker program to apply from their home countries, so it wouldn't be an amnesty.

77 posted on 09/27/2005 3:15:49 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: chris1
You are flat out lying about one of the most important issues we face.

Again, source these "lies" or don't post your hysterics to me.

78 posted on 09/27/2005 3:16:34 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: sasafras
Thriving economy or not illegals would still be crossing because the freebies

Bush grants freebies? Or do liberal State and City governments?

Ban the freebies.

79 posted on 09/27/2005 3:18:00 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: Black Tooth
Your not reading. The rest of the country has been getting a nice taste of this for past ten years now.

I never said otherwise...who's not reading?

80 posted on 09/27/2005 3:20:14 PM PDT by PRND21
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