Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

New Polish government plans to talk tougher with U.S., but remain a close ally.
Canadian Press ^ | September 26, 2005 | Vanessa Gera

Posted on 09/26/2005 1:48:45 PM PDT by lizol

New Polish government plans to talk tougher with U.S., but remain a close ally

Vanessa Gera Canadian Press

September 26, 2005

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Centre-right parties victorious in Poland's weekend election are expected to keep their distance from Russia and retain a pro-U.S. stance but talk tough about what they want from Washington in return.

The conservative Law and Justice Party, which initial results showed in the lead Monday, and its expected coalition partner, the free market Civic Platform, support warm ties with the United States.

Both parties have also indicated they might extend Poland's deeply unpopular military mission in Iraq past a Dec. 31 deadline, although they did not campaign on the issue. They stress that in return they would demand more from the United States than the country's sacrifices, including the deaths of 17 soldiers, have brought so far.

"They will be asking the United States for more commitments," said Lena Kolarska-Bobinska, a sociologist and director of the Institute of Public Affairs, a prominent think tank. "They would want close relations with the United States, but close relations that would offer us something, for example the modernization of the Polish army or some other issue."

There is a widespread sense that the left-wing government, ousted in Sunday's vote, has neglected to fight for Polish interests in return for sending ground troops for the 2003 war and later leading an international force that now comprises 4,000 troops.

Although Washington made no concrete promises, Poles had hoped rewards might include more investments in the Polish economy, lucrative deals for Polish companies in reconstructing Iraq, or abolishing travel visas required for Poles visiting the United States.

U.S. Ambassador Victor Ashe said he hopes to see a continued Polish presence in Iraq.

"Clearly, Poland has made a great contribution to the security of the people of Iraq and the cause of democracy," Ashe told The Associated Press. "We hope that the next Polish government will continue this engagement at an appropriate level, based upon the political and military situation on the ground in Iraq."

Maintaining the strong friendship with Washington has taken on greater urgency as Poland's relations with Russia have spiralled downward over the past year, increasing Poland's need for protection by a strong ally, Kolarska-Bobinska argued.

The never-easy ties with Russia took a turn for the worse last year when Poland jumped into Ukraine's election crisis, taking the side of the pro-Western candidate against Moscow's preference.

Over the summer, the tone grew even more strident when the children of Russian diplomats were attacked in a Warsaw park. The incident sparked an angry reaction from the Kremlin and was soon followed by attacks on Polish diplomats and a journalist in Moscow.

The likely new prime minister, Law and Justice leader Jaroslaw Kaczynski, can be expected to take a tough tone with Moscow. Two days before the election, he referred to the attacks on Poles by comparing today's Russia to Nazi Germany.

Russia's recent cozy relationship with Germany, embodied in an agreement between the two countries to build a gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea, bypassing Poland, has also been perceived as a threat.

"People started to be afraid that there is something going on above our heads. In this situation, America is perceived as the ultimate friend who can help us," Kolarska-Bobinska said.

With 90 per cent of votes counted, the Law and Justice Party and the Civic Platform had a commanding combined majority, with 26.8 per cent and 24.2 per cent respectively. Projections gave the two parties about 285 seats in parliament's 460-member lower house, offering them a solid base from which to tackle problems that include a jobless rate of 17.8 per cent, the highest in the European Union.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: poland; polish; polishelection

1 posted on 09/26/2005 1:48:49 PM PDT by lizol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: lizol

abolishing visas, modernizing the military? These dont seem like big demands to me. And while we are at it, bases for the US military moving out of Germany. Poland has proven a trusty ally since 1989 and I hope that situation will continue.


2 posted on 09/26/2005 1:52:51 PM PDT by armydawg1
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: lizol

It's unfortunate that they think they have to "talk tough" with us ... but we need to look past that and be supportive of a more conservative outlook.


3 posted on 09/26/2005 1:53:29 PM PDT by gondramB ( There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

Well the government won a strong mandate, I think they'll be talking tougher with everyone. The requests seem reasonable and possible, so it's not inappropriate to ask and negotiate. Not so much as a "this for that" thing for Iraq, but just as helping an ally who is doing the right thing.


4 posted on 09/26/2005 1:57:45 PM PDT by Mount Athos
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: armydawg1; jb6

Abolishing tourist visas for Poles would be a wrong decision. The restrictions placed on a country are based on the history of those who return after a visit, and are fair. Poles have a lousy record of returning home, and so do not look for any lessening of restrictions.


5 posted on 09/26/2005 1:59:33 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: gondramB

It is a Canadian news story though, you have to take this with a grain of salt.


6 posted on 09/26/2005 2:31:06 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: lizol

The United States lets visitors from countries in western Europe which are often hostile to the United States to enter without visas. It is a shame that Poles who have demonstrated both friendship and commitment have to jump the visa hurdle. I hope this is soon corrected.


7 posted on 09/26/2005 2:51:55 PM PDT by Malesherbes
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GarySpFc
I honestly don't care if we have a few Poles come in as illegals. It is not as if, like with Mexicans, they are going to stream across the border, never mind the fact that Poland is a better ally than Mexico has ever dreamed of being. Also, I would love to see the conservatives handed diplomatic victories, bolstering their popularity, and cementing the USA-Polish relationship even tighter than it is now. As far as moving all the German bases to Poland, I think it is a no brainer, and would allow us to work more closely with the Poles, and would allow us to help modernize their military, it would be an economic shot in the arm for Poland, and a sharp stick in the Germans eye.
8 posted on 09/26/2005 2:52:36 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (If con is the opposite of pro, is Congress the opposite of progress?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
A friend of mine who worked for INS until last year told me that Poles are typically the top group in the country for overstaying their visas.

I'm half-Polish myself and do not tolerate such behavior. Waiving visas should not be a standardized policy for ANY country, even though we do it for Ireland, France, etc.

9 posted on 09/26/2005 2:56:24 PM PDT by Clemenza (Giuliani endorsed Clinton and Cuomo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: lizol
or abolishing travel visas required for Poles visiting the United States.

I am also in favor of abolishing travel visas for Poles visiting the US.

10 posted on 09/26/2005 2:58:22 PM PDT by sockmonkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza

The biggest challenge for the Polish government is how to keep their best and brightest from pursuing careers outside of Poland and to make it economically feasible for them to stay there. If they can do that, then the country has a bright future. The low voter turnout is not an encouraging sign, however.


11 posted on 09/26/2005 3:03:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza
And the best and brightest moving to the US would hurt us how? Granted, it would hurt Poland.

I would much rather have a well educated driven Pole here than a barely literate Mexican illegal.
12 posted on 09/26/2005 3:31:26 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
That's nice, but many of the Poles here work as janitors, not as engineers. To say nothing of the fact that they (and the Russians) brink their parents and dump them on social services.

Regulated immigration yes, waiving of visas and illegal immigration NO!

13 posted on 09/26/2005 3:33:15 PM PDT by Clemenza (Giuliani endorsed Clinton and Cuomo)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

The fact that you would support illegal aliens coming into the US, Polish or Mexican, shows you have little if any respect for our legal system. Additionally, it says worlds about your moral beliefs. That said, I have no problem with having bases in Poland, but suspect they will be in southeastern Europe as they are better located for our purposes.


14 posted on 09/26/2005 6:26:04 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

There are already ways for highly educated Poles to come here without much of a problem.


15 posted on 09/26/2005 6:27:23 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: GarySpFc
I (Legal American by choice, not birth) do not support illegals at all, but if given a choice, let the Polish pro Americans rather than the Mexicans (whom are ambivalent at best) be the ones to whom we turn a blind eye. I do not like the blind eye, but it is a reality.
16 posted on 09/26/2005 8:24:19 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

That's ironic, because most Americans by birth fight illegal immigration, and in no way support of endorse it. They do not accept that as reality.


17 posted on 09/26/2005 9:05:24 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: GarySpFc

Bush is an American by birth..... < grin>


18 posted on 09/27/2005 12:01:53 PM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I have to admit you found one. :)


19 posted on 09/27/2005 4:07:45 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson