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New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
Washington Post ^ | September 26, 2005 | Rick Weiss and David Brown

Posted on 09/26/2005 3:27:53 AM PDT by Crackingham

When scientists announced last month they had determined the exact order of all 3 billion bits of genetic code that go into making a chimpanzee, it was no surprise that the sequence was more than 96 percent identical to the human genome. Charles Darwin had deduced more than a century ago that chimps were among humans' closest cousins. But decoding chimpanzees' DNA allowed scientists to do more than just refine their estimates of how similar humans and chimps are. It let them put the very theory of evolution to some tough new tests.

If Darwin was right, for example, then scientists should be able to perform a neat trick. Using a mathematical formula that emerges from evolutionary theory, they should be able to predict the number of harmful mutations in chimpanzee DNA by knowing the number of mutations in a different species' DNA and the two animals' population sizes.

"That's a very specific prediction," said Eric Lander, a geneticist at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard, and a leader in the chimp project.

Sure enough, when Lander and his colleagues tallied the harmful mutations in the chimp genome, the number fit perfectly into the range that evolutionary theory had predicted.

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Evolution's repeated power to predict the unexpected goes a long way toward explaining why so many scientists are practically apoplectic over the recent decision by a Pennsylvania school board to treat evolution as an unproven hypothesis, on par with "alternative" explanations such as Intelligent Design (ID), the proposition that life as we know it could not have arisen without the helping hand of some mysterious intelligent force.

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"What makes evolution a scientific explanation is that it makes testable predictions," Lander said. "You only believe theories when they make non-obvious predictions that are confirmed by scientific evidence."

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To: RoadTest

I assume that you have an actual argument against the theory of evolution rather than just ridicule, right?


41 posted on 09/26/2005 7:25:18 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: DesertSapper
Of course our friendly FR Darwinists will reply that we Creationists do the same thing - and they would probably be correct. However, they miss a huge, glaring truth - they claim science drives them . . . God drives Creation. The former is supposed to process all data without prejudice, the latter doesn't have to - it's supernatural.

In other words, you assume your conclusion without evidence behind it.
42 posted on 09/26/2005 7:35:37 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping. :-)


43 posted on 09/26/2005 7:42:38 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: PatrickHenry
If you actually knew anything about molecular evolution or biology and acually had read the article in the recent Science concerning the Chimp's repeating element organization you'd know that the talk origins article you are fond of citing is dreadfully out of date and never has been really accurate.
44 posted on 09/26/2005 7:51:19 AM PDT by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Crevo Threads for the past week:

2005-09-26 The Problem With Evolution
2005-09-26 Dispute over evolution goes on trial in U.S. court
2005-09-26 New Analyses Bolster Central Tenets of Evolution Theory
2005-09-25 In Evolution Debate, Creationists Are Breaking New Ground
2005-09-24 The trouble with Darwin (Bush's I.D. comments changed Australia's Educational Landscape)
2005-09-23 Ultimate thread on Dover, Pennsylvania's Evolution v. Intelligent Design trial
2005-09-22 Insight into our sight: A new view on the evolution of the eye lens (Desperate conjuncture)
2005-09-22 Intelligent designers down on Dover
2005-09-22 Intelligible Design
2005-09-22 Court Case Threatens to 'Drag Science into the Supernatural'
2005-09-22 Intelligent Design: An Ambiguous Assault on Evolution
2005-09-21 Researchers create functioning artificial proteins using nature's rules
2005-09-21 Intelligent design? Not on this campus [Pennsylvania]
2005-09-20 Challenged by Creationists, Museums Answer Back
2005-09-20 Darwin Goes to Church

45 posted on 09/26/2005 8:11:36 AM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: RoadTest
Two keys here: "after it's kind" (not another kind!) and "God said" Please define kind. Not examples, but a functional definition that I can apply to all living organisms.
46 posted on 09/26/2005 8:20:17 AM PDT by ndt
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To: ndt

Won't happen, but good luck.


47 posted on 09/26/2005 8:23:51 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: tallhappy

"If you actually knew anything about molecular evolution or biology and acually had read the article in the recent Science concerning the Chimp's repeating element organization you'd know that the talk origins article you are fond of citing is dreadfully out of date and never has been really accurate."

I have and I understand it, would you care to elaborate?


48 posted on 09/26/2005 8:25:27 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: RoadTest
Evolution "scientists" must be part kangaroo!

True, but probably more like 90 percent than 96 percent.

49 posted on 09/26/2005 8:33:39 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: PatrickHenry
It's as if your exam paper in school were 96% the same as the guy who was sitting in front of you, including his wrong answers, and including his crazy answers.

That's a really cool analogy.

50 posted on 09/26/2005 8:37:44 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Tell me; how does evolution make predictions if the mutations taking place are RANDOM?

It's a bit like this. Suppose student A sits next to B, and A determines his answers by coin tosses. When the exams are turned in, B's answers are the same as A's.

Copied, or not?

51 posted on 09/26/2005 8:42:05 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Junior

Are you still keeping your list of threads?


52 posted on 09/26/2005 8:46:47 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

On and off. I'm trying to update my database now; I've got a new data format that outputs text ready for pasting.


53 posted on 09/26/2005 8:51:23 AM PDT by Junior (Some drink to silence the voices in their heads. I drink to understand them.)
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To: doc30
I say luddites because I have yet to meet a creationsist who does not warp, twist and misrepresent science in their arguements. They have to destroy every field of modern science in order to rationalize their biblical, supernatural explanations. Perhaps it is not the best word. Perhaps either ignorant or lying would be more appropriate. As to you question, read the article, They actually explain the basis of their predictions. But then again, actually reading and understanding something about evolution is soenthing most creationists don't do.

So, according to you, creationists can't read? Thank you for proving my point about shrillness.

And no, I don't chalk up all the flame wars to evolutionists. Just the majority of them.

As I said earlier, this thread sucks. Officially.
54 posted on 09/26/2005 9:14:55 AM PDT by JamesP81
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To: DaveLoneRanger
the sequence was more than 96 percent identical to the human genome.

Even if this point were accurate, what does it prove? Does it prove that chimps and man have a similar ancestor, that they are different branches off of the same evolutionary trunk, or does it indicate that both chimps and man have the same designer who simply created man as a variation on an existing theme?

55 posted on 09/26/2005 9:28:07 AM PDT by My2Cents (The political battles of our day are battles over morality, between the haves and the have nots.)
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To: doc30; All
Howdy Doc...

What do you make of this?:

Most Published Research Findings May Be False

Who is warping, twisting, and misrepresenting science in their arguments?

Here's an example:

The hobbits are in a class all of their own, say scientists March 04, 2005

From the article:

HOBBITS, the nickname for the little human relative first discovered last year, were not Homo sapiens but a separate species, analysis of its brain has confirmed.

We now have research that shows these people were "modern":

New 'Hobbit' disease link claimFriday, 23 September 2005

The researchers say their findings strongly support an idea that the 1m- (3ft-) tall female skeleton from Indonesia is a diseased modern human.

And you wonder why the general public is skeptical of the claims evolutionists and scientists make.

56 posted on 09/26/2005 9:33:57 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory. Lots of links on my homepage...)
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To: My2Cents; PatrickHenry

"or does it indicate that both chimps and man have the same designer who simply created man as a variation on an existing theme?"

So God looked and said about the chimp "It's no good and I can do better" and zap a little tweak here and a tuck there and we have Patrick Henry?

BTW and FYI, the coding portions of the chimp and human genome are 99% identical.


57 posted on 09/26/2005 9:34:48 AM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: furball4paws
So God looked and said about the chimp "It's no good and I can do better" and zap a little tweak here and a tuck there and we have Patrick Henry?

There are those who think it happened the other way around.

58 posted on 09/26/2005 9:52:41 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Tell me; how does evolution make predictions if the mutations taking place are RANDOM?

You have been around these threads long enough to have already seen the answer to that question on numerous occasions. This leaves us with a number of possibilities:

We'll leave the selection as an exercise for the lurkers. Just in case the lurkers haven't seen predictions of evolution before, here is a tiny subset of them.

59 posted on 09/26/2005 9:53:58 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: JamesP81
So, according to you, creationists can't read? Thank you for proving my point about shrillness.

Please point out where the OP said that "creationists can't read".

60 posted on 09/26/2005 9:55:48 AM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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