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British scientist criticises US climate "loonies"
Reuters ^ | 9/23/05

Posted on 09/22/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by Crackingham

A leading British scientist said on Friday the growing ferocity of hurricanes hitting the United States was very probably caused by global warming and criticised what he termed U.S. climate loonies over the issue. Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which advises the government, made what the Independent newspaper said was a thinly disguised attack on the stance of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration.

"The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming," Lawton told the newspaper in an interview.

"If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation," said Lawton.

Less than a month after Hurricane Katrina devastated large areas of the U.S. Gulf coast, a new hurricane called Rita was roaring through the Gulf of Mexico towards the centre of the U.S. oil industry.

Climate change policies sharply divide Bush from many other world leaders who have signed up for caps on emissions of greenhouse gases under the U.N.'s Kyoto protocol. Bush pulled out of Kyoto in 2001, saying it was too expensive and wrongly excluded developing nations from a first round of caps to 2012. In July this year, Bush launched a six-nation plan to combat climate change with Australia, China, India, Japan and South Korea focused on a shift to cleaner energy technology. Unlike Kyoto, it stops short of setting caps on emissions.

Asked what conclusion the Bush administration should draw from two powerful hurricanes hitting the United States in quick succession, Lawton said:

"If what looks like is going to be a horrible mess causes the extreme sceptics about climate change in the U.S. to reconsider their opinion, that would be an extremely valuable outcome.

"There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate. I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."

Lawton said hurricanes were getting more intense, just as computer models predicted they would, because of the rising temperature of the sea.

"Increasingly it looks like a smoking gun," he said.

"It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."


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To: Crackingham
Explain Mars, linking it incontrovertibly to human activity, then I'll listen to you about global warming being an "unnatural" human caused condition.
41 posted on 09/22/2005 10:34:44 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican; montag813

<< Don't try to bring facts into this argument!!! >>

#21: Picure of the world's already modst dangerous dullard -- in his effort to co-opt George Soros, Marc Rich and every other member of the most extremely-lunatic-left to his 2008 presidential erection campaign -- channelling the DNC chairthingy.

Poofy peanut figures that given that his 2000 attempted imitation of a male with a brain [Or even, come to that, of a male] so badly failed him and that Doctor Strangelove Dean's 2004 run without the slightest sign of ever being within 50 yards of a brain got that hatred-wracked poor bastard a few campaign Dollars and to Ohio -- this time he'll run a moron, too.

As a barking anencephalytic.

As himself, that is.


42 posted on 09/22/2005 10:40:20 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Per Ardua ad Astra!)
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To: knuthom

Could you fix the link, please? All I get is a 404 error: "The requested document does not exist on this server."

Thanks.


43 posted on 09/22/2005 10:51:43 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: Crackingham

The only way to stop global warming is to create more clouds to block the suns energy and thus keep the worlds oceans cold so they don't provide a source of heat for large super storms to feed off.


44 posted on 09/22/2005 11:03:57 PM PDT by Chewbacca (Not all men are fools. The smart ones are still bachelors.)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

godd one punk..u made my day!!! MUHAHAHAHAHA


the one i love is as follows :

THIS IS THE WORST STORM SINCE 1900..it is global warming..

now lets break down that sentence and focus on the key word SINCE...

so there was a bigger once in 1900....hmmmmm

those 1900 SUV's eh...terrible...absolutely...terrible


more left wing , tree huggery crap..also anyone care to explain what happened BEFORE THE LAST ICE AGE...oh oh..wait the cavemen,,,,those cavemen SUV's eh...

the world cools up and cools down...live with it...


45 posted on 09/23/2005 12:27:19 AM PDT by Irishguy (How do ya LIKE THOSE APPLES!!!!)
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To: montag813

Your graph would be more relevant if it included all atlantic hurricanes (or even all tropical cyclones) instead of the ones that made a landfall (in the US?).


46 posted on 09/23/2005 12:32:42 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: Irishguy

True, but the question is how fast the warming/cooling has been previously


47 posted on 09/23/2005 12:34:07 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: neutrality
Your graph would be more relevant if it included all atlantic hurricanes (or even all tropical cyclones) instead of the ones that made a landfall (in the US?).

Perhaps, however the ones that make landfall are typically the strongest, and since the largest financial cost comes from those, they seem most relevant.

48 posted on 09/23/2005 12:36:43 AM PDT by montag813
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To: neutrality

I saw something interesting on Discovery or whatever a few years back.

Scientists went to a lake in Canada (not sure which one) and took core samples from the sediments being deposited in the lake by the feeder streams.

By measuring the thickness of the sediments and the size of the particles and the pollens in the layers, they were able to map out the time it took for one of the ice age events to happen.

Time span from normal temperate climate to full ice age glaciation:


Ninety years

So buy lots of warm socks and will them to your great grandchildren!


49 posted on 09/23/2005 12:44:23 AM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: djf

That's interesting, I think I'll read up on that


50 posted on 09/23/2005 12:50:24 AM PDT by neutrality
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To: ApplegateRanch
Try this

Storm frenzy is not an anomaly, but a phase

51 posted on 09/23/2005 4:01:12 AM PDT by knuthom
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To: montag813
The total is now 11.

???

52 posted on 09/23/2005 4:38:05 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: RedMonqey
If global warming is due to carbon being released into the atmosphere, then why didn't the temps spike upwards after WW2?

It's not just carbon, it's carbon dioxide...the carbon particles of soot from burning will block the incoming solar radiation, resulting in cooling. Although your idea fits the spike of the 1940s decade, it would take a lot more than that coincidence to convince me.

53 posted on 09/23/2005 4:55:37 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Doooooooooooooooooomed!!!!!!!!!!!

54 posted on 09/23/2005 6:32:47 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: knuthom

Thanks; that works fine.

It was well worth reading.


55 posted on 09/23/2005 9:51:25 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: Gondring

I realized that I forgot to add it after I posted but assumed most people would get the idea.:)


56 posted on 09/23/2005 12:36:36 PM PDT by RedMonqey
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To: David1; NYer
Great article. Here's another link:

http://geology.com/united-states-satellite-images.shtml

Start at Bermuda. It's the little dry spot in the Atlantic that's East and South of Cape Hatteras (North Carolina/Virgina area). Then continue to scroll East (with right arrow button). Do you see the sand? It's ALL over North Africa.

Continue past the Suez Canal and check out Saudi Arabia.

Do you see the sand?

Continue scrolling and check out Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Central Asia, and China.

What color is it?

Could this be where all that global "warming" is coming from?

Has it been centuries of hard core industrialization and the burning of "fossil" fuels that brings on our hurricanes?

If those greedy ancient capitalist North Africans, Middle Easterners, and Central Asians industrialists had only been more environmental friendly!!!! They should have used cleaner burning technology back when they were sacking Jerusalem, spreading their religion with the sword, and shooting arrows with their composite bows while on horseback.

See the picture of Israel:
http://www.science.co.il/images/satellite/f/Negev-STS037-151-124.jpg

See where the irrigation ends?

Here's a photo with political boundaries added.

http://leskameleons.free.fr/index.php?mod=gallery&action=img&id_gal=2&id_img=80

Why do we have wacky quacky science using faulty models?

Psalm 36:
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Sin directs the heart of the wicked; their eyes are closed to the fear of God.
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For they live with the delusion: their guilt will not be known and hated.
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Empty and false are the words of their mouth; they have ceased to be wise and do good.
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In their beds they hatch plots; they set out on a wicked way; they do not reject evil.
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There has never left us the Command and Curse to Adam that we should labor over the land:

Proverbs 12:11
He who tills his own land has food in plenty, but he who follows idle pursuits is a fool.
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Considering our modern technologies and how hard our ancestors had it, we should feel blessed to refocus on agrarian ecologies and economies.

Genesis 3:
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To the man he said: "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree of which I had forbidden you to eat, "Cursed be the ground because of you! In toil shall you eat its yield all the days of your life.
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Thorns and thistles shall it bring forth to you, as you eat of the plants of the field.
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By the sweat of your face shall you get bread to eat, Until you return to the ground, from which you were taken; For you are dirt, and to dirt you shall return."

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Message of Hope from all of this:

Revelations 6:6

I heard what seemed to be a voice in the midst of the four living creatures. It said, "A ration of wheat costs a day's pay, and three rations of barley cost a day's pay. But do not damage the olive oil or the wine."
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and the footnote:
6 [6] A day's pay: literally, "a denarius," a Roman silver coin that constitutes a day's wage in Matthew 20:2. Because of the famine, food was rationed and sold at an exorbitant price. A liter of flour was considered a day's ration in the Greek historians Herodotus and Diogenes Laertius. Barley: food of the poor (John 6:9, 13; cf 2 Kings 7:1, 16, 18); it was also used to feed animals; cf 1 Kings 5:8. Do not damage: the olive and the vine are to be used more sparingly in time of famine.

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Personally, I think the "oil" and the "wine" have to do more with Catholic Sacraments. And the Irrigation I consider most important is Baptism and the River of Souls God desires.
57 posted on 09/23/2005 3:10:35 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child...at conception.)
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To: jimfree

>Michael Crighton spoke on this topic recently. Perhaps somebody with a source can post that speech.

Aliens Cause Global Warming

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html


58 posted on 09/23/2005 3:24:11 PM PDT by TChad
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To: TChad

Thanks TChad. Everybody should read this speech. Crichton began his research without a bias.


59 posted on 09/23/2005 3:31:06 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Crackingham
"If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation," said Lawton
I love it when these dispassionate scientists sound so dispassionate and scientific.
60 posted on 09/23/2005 3:35:38 PM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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