[Mylo]

Logic? conciliation? A zealot craves not these things.

[curiosity]

Faith and Science Ping.

[newgeezer]

Professing to be wise, they became fools.

[Vicomte13]

Evolution is easy for Catholics.

God created the world.
Evolution is probably how He did it.
He directly creates our souls, dips them in flesh for awhile, and then calls them back to Himself.

Why?
Because it pleases Him.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Coyoteman]

But the debate between evolution and intelligent design has become increasingly shrill

Really? Where would that be?

[keithtoo]

The problem with Evolution in church is that Evolution is a religion.

It is a faith-based belief system.

[Paloma_55]

In before the first 500 replies!!!

[narby]

I had exactly this sort of class at a Southern Baptist church retreat sometime around 1970. There were actually religious tracts promoting this idea (that there is no conflict between science and the Bible) back in the 30's-50's, undoubtedly when my teacher back then studied.

That same church now teaches creationism. Which leads to the question, where they teaching garbage back then, or are they teaching garbage now?

[Pessimist]

People like you give us all a bad name.

[narby]

And the stakes are high: Members have left my church over the evolution issue because they object to some church leaders' acceptance of a theory that is not Bible-based teaching; a local professor has been barred from teaching a cell biology class at George Mason University because of controversy over her beliefs; and religious leaders across the country are now seeing this as a defining issue in the culture wars.

This has been my prediction for churches that preach cultish ideas of literal Genesis accounts like creation and Noah. Many people view such things as if the church were teaching that Santa lives at the North Pole. The best idea is to adopt the Catholic doctrine, that there is no conflict between science and the Bible, and that we just can't explain God's miracles. But if churches can't do that, then their best plan would be to just avoid the subject.

[RightWinger]

If creationists are correct, evolutionists will have eternity to reflect upon their miscalculations.

If evolutionists are correct, we will all just cease to exist when we die.

[applpie]

I think the bible has a word for this type of pastor....."worthless shepherds"....what the Lord called them in the Old Testament. Worthless shepherds who led his people astray through their false teaching and led them to their own destruction.

Obviously THEIR God is not POTENT enough to create the world without using trial and error and a billion years. Plus what kind of a loving God uses principles like survival of the fittest?

What makes this pastor or any other so-called "christian evolutionist" think a God who gives us evolution and an untruthful/unreliable book of "poetry" and myths is therefore, interested in or capable of helping us in our lives? I would say their version of God's "word" is nothing more than a rusty bucket full of holes, incapable of watering anything but the ground.

I will take God at His word.

[Cicero]

Science and religion cannot teach two different things. They are concerned with different areas which only partially overlap, but they cannot contradict one another.

There is only one real world out there. To speak disparagingly of any effort to relate science and religion as "hybrid" is foolish. So too is the impression he gives that we should think about things one way in church and another way outside of church.

I'm not sure his chosen metaphor isn't a bit racist, too! What's wrong with hybrids?

[DeweyCA]

some conservative pastors will call me naive, insisting that Darwinism is a godless belief system that encourages people to reject the supernatural and embrace the idea that randomness rules the universe.

I would agree with those conservative pastors, and also the two people quoted from his congregation that also think that he is naive. He must be a PC-USA Presbyterian. BTW, that UCC pastor friend of his sounds like a total loon. No surprise there. VERY few UCC pastors take the Bible seriously.

[LiteKeeper]

YEC INTREP - COMPROMISE ALERT!

[lakey]

Darwinism doesn't excite me at all. What does give me goose bumps is Stephen Hawking and his theory of 11 dimensions. And we only live in 4!! Four dimensions are necessary for our life form, and Hawking thinks some of the 11 are curled up "somewhere."

Most scientists believe in God, a superior intelligence - that our universe is an intelligent design.

But, as far as I have read, with the exception of time travel and "wormholes", the scientific field has not yet researched the miracle of Jesus and the Reincarnation, and His reappearance again.

In one of his lectures, Hawking did ask something to the effect, that if one can travel back in time, why hasn't anyone come forward?

Anyway, it's all very fascinating to me. Talk about mysterious....

[zot]

I enjoy studying the evolution of the outer-bird-bodies we call airplanes, from barely able to fly, to supersonic swallows, in 100 years (1905 to 2005). It is a fine example of survival of the fittest, generation after generation. (All due to random mutation and natural selection, of course.)

[wallcrawlr]

ping

Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
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[johnnyb_61820]

If only I could get my Sunday School class to make national news. I guess the topic of God's almighty grace capable of life transformation for anyone just doesn't have the same appeal as "don't upset the scientists because they're smarter than you".

[Zionist Conspirator]

His view is that science and religion answer two different sets of questions about creation, with science answering the "how" questions, and religion answering the "why" ones. "With a little bit of wisdom and tolerance on each side," he tells me, "I think they can complement rather than contradict each other."

Translation: It is a religious truth, but not a scientific truth, that G-d created the universe. It is a scientific truth, but not a religious truth, that the universe is a gigantic coincidence with no purpose or significance whatsoever (other than achieving "global social justice" or whatever other hang-ups evolutionists may be having at a given moment).

I thought "double truth" was disposed of some five hundred years ago.