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Challenged by Creationists, Museums Answer Back
The New York Times ^ | 9/20/2005 | CORNELIA DEAN

Posted on 09/20/2005 7:02:45 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor

ITHACA, N.Y. - Lenore Durkee, a retired biology professor, was volunteering as a docent at the Museum of the Earth here when she was confronted by a group of seven or eight people, creationists eager to challenge the museum exhibitions on evolution.

They peppered Dr. Durkee with questions about everything from techniques for dating fossils to the second law of thermodynamics, their queries coming so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply.

After about 45 minutes, "I told them I needed to take a break," she recalled. "My mouth was dry."

That encounter and others like it provided the impetus for a training session here in August. Dr. Durkee and scores of other volunteers and staff members from the museum and elsewhere crowded into a meeting room to hear advice from the museum director, Warren D. Allmon, on ways to deal with visitors who reject settled precepts of science on religious grounds.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Colorado; US: Nebraska; US: New York; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: creationuts; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; evobots; evonuts; museum
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To: jwalsh07
Any particular reason anybody should take anything this particular twit writes seriously when she produces garbage like this: “But how easy is it to advocate for science at a time when many Americans, including the president, do not accept evolution, the idea that human activity is altering the earth’s climate, or other ideas science regards as more or less established?” Cornelia Dean question to Dr. Hockfield, President of MIT.

Even the last holdouts now accept anthropogenic global warming; it's just a question of degree. The President, and many Americans, don't accept evolution. So what exactly is your problem with what she said, other than the fact she's editorializing a bit?

601 posted on 09/20/2005 4:42:00 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor (It ain't compassion when you're using someone else's money.)
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To: js1138

Nice prime.


602 posted on 09/20/2005 4:42:01 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: curiosity

Phillip Johnson is a trial lawyer.


603 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:19 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Beats me.

Haha - I guess I didn't word my question clearly. What I meant to ask was what sort of things did the Creationists object to in a math class?

604 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:15 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: curiosity

Denton has written an entire book on the inevitability of evolution.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684845091/102-5475944-0624957?v=glance


605 posted on 09/20/2005 4:47:06 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: All
Today's additions to the ever-growing List-O-Links:

Understanding Evolution. Univ. of California.
Statement on the Teaching of Evolution. By the American Astronomical Society.

Some extra info on that last link: AAS denounces "intelligent design".
Another service of Darwin Central, the conspiracy that cares.

606 posted on 09/20/2005 4:50:30 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Just getting warmed up for a shot at the big one.


607 posted on 09/20/2005 4:51:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
visitors who were knowledgeable enough to ask? ROTFL!

Youse guys funny.

More likely they got the list os 10 questions creationists never listen to the answers about from some Moonie.

608 posted on 09/20/2005 4:54:10 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. - Richard Feynman)
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To: js1138

More and more historians are turning away from the false religion of civilwarism.

I read about a poll in which 50% of college students did not know in which century this alleged war occurred in.

609 posted on 09/20/2005 4:54:49 PM PDT by ml1954
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To: Oztrich Boy
Question number four:

VERTEBRATE EMBRYOS. Why do textbooks use drawings of similarities in vertebrate embryos as evidence for their common ancestry -- even though biologists have known for over a century that vertebrate embryos are not most similar in their early stages, and the drawings are faked?

OK, how about photographs?


610 posted on 09/20/2005 4:57:51 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: ml1954
I read about a poll in which 50% of college students did not know in which century this alleged war occurred in.

Young, untampered minds are able to put false religions aside.

611 posted on 09/20/2005 4:59:15 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
More and more historians are turning away from the false religion of civilwarism.



The scientific case against Atom Bomb-ism

Or, Creationist Dialectics Applied to Hiroshima

1. Atomic theory is "just a theory."
2. No one has ever seen an atom, and certainly not one that explodes.
3. The second law of thermodynamics prohibits atom bombs.
4. There are no atoms mentioned in the bible.
5. Even if individual atoms decay, that's micro-fission. There's no proof for macro-fission.
6. Atomic theory leads to fear, depression, sexual promiscuity, and world domination.
7. There is no evidence that a so-called atom bomb destroyed Hiroshima.
8. Just because a so-called bomb dropped when the city blew up proves nothing. Correlation does not equal causality.
9. Many scientists believe that Hiroshima may have been destroyed by an encounter with Rodan.
10. Rodan's existence is well-documented and has never been disproved.
11. Atom bomb-ism is a product of materialism and a Godless, naturalistic worldview.
12. It takes more faith to believe in Atom bomb-ism than it does to believe in the Tooth Fairy.
13. More and more scientists are turning to "Rodan Theory" (RT). Atom bomb-ism is a theory in crisis!

Atomic explosion or Rodan? "Teach the controversy!"

612 posted on 09/20/2005 5:00:19 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Disclaimer -- this information may be legally false in Kansas.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
“But how easy is it to advocate for science at a time when many Americans, including the president, do not accept evolution, the idea that human activity is altering the earth’s climate, or other ideas science regards as more or less established?” Cornelia Dean question to Dr. Hockfield, President of MIT.

Lets break it down Professor.

1. Please provide a quote from President Bush denying that evolution happens.
2. Please provide a quote from President Bush stating that human activity has no effect on Earths climate.
3. Please provide a quote from President Bush not accepting any other established ideas of science, whatever the hell they are.

And to save time, lets agree that failing to provide such quotes, which don't exist, this woman is a story teller in the tradition of the Brothers Grimm, OK?

613 posted on 09/20/2005 5:11:23 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: PatrickHenry

Oh yeah, well wait till I write the PatrickHenrybshrpetaletal-ism creation story.


614 posted on 09/20/2005 5:21:23 PM PDT by RunningWolf (U.S. Army Veteran.....75-78)
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To: Right Wing Professor; sheltonmac; MineralMan
Why do churches get tax exemptions, but this site does not?

In essense churches get back from the government the full amount they would pay in tax - if not expemt.

Which puts them ahead of most taxpayers.

615 posted on 09/20/2005 5:24:47 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. - Richard Feynman)
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To: js1138
Was he ever caught?

Indeed, no. And the plot to end the Vietnam War was, in fact, thwarted by blowing up the library at Stony Brook. I'm not sure of the connection myself, but there you go.

:^)

616 posted on 09/20/2005 5:34:43 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: sheltonmac
Since the individual income tax is already in effect, I wouldn't mind seeing all churches, companies, organizations, etc. exempt from taxes.

Now I'd work on the other way around. Tax churches, companies, organizations, and exempt individuals entirely.

617 posted on 09/20/2005 5:36:09 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy ( God is always invented to explain those things that you do not understand. - Richard Feynman)
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To: Mark Felton
Without understanding the origin of life you cannot possibly truly understand the continuance and advancement of life for those same forces must still be with us and having an effect...

I see. Unless you know where the sky came from, you're not really sure whether it rained yesterday. Nor could you begin to estimate the chance for rain tomorrow. It seems that this "problem" you're describing is proving troublesome for you to grasp - good luck with it. Really.

618 posted on 09/20/2005 5:40:35 PM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: js1138
Yeah, I know about that book. In his first book, Theory in Crisis, he seems to indicate the opposite.

I've never seen Dembski take a firm position either way.

619 posted on 09/20/2005 5:41:30 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Oztrich Boy
Number one from the link of Moonie Wells's list of questions to ask forever, ignoring the answers:

ORIGIN OF LIFE. Why do textbooks claim that the 1953 Miller-Urey experiment shows how life's building blocks may have formed on the early Earth -- when conditions on the early Earth were probably nothing like those used in the experiment, and the origin of life remains a mystery?
We lately had a thread on this one. Conditions on the early Earth probably included a reducing atmosphere after all and were much more like the conditions of Miller-Urey than long thought. Another creo talking point down the drain.
620 posted on 09/20/2005 5:41:37 PM PDT by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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