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According to author Clare Asquith, the words used by the subversive Shakespeare in his plays and poems disguised a hidden pro-Catholic message.

Sunburn: The sun represented divinity, and so sunburn denotes closeness to God. Shakespeare described himself as 'tanned' in Sonnet 62.

Turtle dove: A traditional image for the apostles, used to signify those who remained faithful in the face of persecution.

Nightingale: The story of Philomela, who was turned into a nightingale, was an image of the desecrated church and its covert protests.

Red rose: A term used by Catholics for their 'old, beautiful' religion.

Dark: The new, Protestant religion, associated with black print and sober dress.

Five: Devotion to the five wounds of Christ led to patterned emblems on the banners borne against the new regime. Shakespeare uses it in the form of flowers, birthmarks or heraldic blazons as a marker of Catholicism.

1 posted on 09/17/2005 7:29:46 PM PDT by siunevada
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bttt for later


2 posted on 09/17/2005 7:31:27 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: siunevada

Clare Asquith's book sounds like it would be an interesting read. Thanks for posting.


6 posted on 09/17/2005 7:45:48 PM PDT by TotusTuus
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Fascinating post....makes me want to read her book.

BTW....a few years ago I visited what is left of Glastonbury Abbey.


7 posted on 09/17/2005 7:45:48 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (Jabbar Gibson for mayor of Newer Orleans)
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To: siunevada

There was a book out last year called Will in the World, which while not going as far as this book, does suggest that Shakespeare was exposed to some of the Catholic "underground." This type of thinking is on the cutting edge in Shakespeare scholarship.

BTW, thanks for posting about the book. I'm a Shakespeare fanatic and will probably end up buying it.


8 posted on 09/17/2005 7:52:03 PM PDT by Accygirl
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To: siunevada

OMG! How Fascinating!!! Thank you!


9 posted on 09/17/2005 8:05:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: siunevada

This is very interesting. I wonder if she's really correct, I've always heard that Shakespere was just a slave to the Tudors. Interesting to think he might have been a closet cath-o-leek.


10 posted on 09/17/2005 8:08:45 PM PDT by jocon307
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Can someone e-mail Hugh Hewitt about this info?? His prof friend David Allen White (?), teaches Shakespeare at the US Naval Academy and is fascinating to listen when he's on Hugh's show.


13 posted on 09/17/2005 8:20:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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Her book, Shadowplay will be a must-buy!


14 posted on 09/17/2005 8:22:25 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: siunevada

The book does sound interesting, but I'd read something about Shakespeare being a 'closet Catholic' a few years ago.


16 posted on 09/17/2005 8:34:42 PM PDT by SuziQ
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Russian authors and playwrights have always been recognized as written to be understood by two separate audiences on two different levels.

Why was this insight not applied to Shakespeare before now?

17 posted on 09/17/2005 8:44:00 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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So how does this connect to the current, widely-held view that the Shakespeare canon was written by Edward de Vere, the poet and nobleman, rather than the uneducated Will Shakespere? De Vere wasn't a closet Catholic, was he?


19 posted on 09/17/2005 9:06:40 PM PDT by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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Old Willie was a Fenian, eh? Oops, wrong rebels.


20 posted on 09/17/2005 9:26:36 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: siunevada
Henry VIII had the abbey razed, its priceless fixtures destroyed, and its abbot, Richard Whiting, hanged, disembowelled, and boiled — in that order.

OK, Hank was just a little cranky there.

There are numerous references to contemporary political affairs in Shakespeare, particularly in the history plays, and some of them aren't particularly subtle. One that is, IMHO, is the character of Shylock in the Merchant of Venice. He's a Jew, yes, but the issues of his progeny's marriage out of religion were fairly rare in Elizabethan England...for Jews, that is, but not for Catholics.

An intriguing case. It will be fun to see what the author has made of it.

22 posted on 09/17/2005 10:27:38 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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I've always loved Shakespeare for the sex and the violence, the double entendres (Mercutio's dying words, for instance), and the humor.

Basically, he wrote rip-roarin' good stories.

31 posted on 09/18/2005 5:56:43 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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