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Fineman: Beltway vs. Blogosphere (A Nasty Civil War is Brewing in the Democratic Party)
Newsweek ^
| September 15, 2005
| Howard Fineman
Posted on 09/15/2005 4:18:15 PM PDT by RWR8189
Sept. 14, 2005 - If I am hearing Simon Rosenberg right (and he is worth listening to), a nasty civil war is brewing within the Democratic Party, and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clintonthe partys presumptive 2008 nomineeneeds to avoid getting caught in the middle of it.
Its not a fight between liberals and conservatives, Rosenberg told me the other day. Its between our governing class here and activists everywhere else.
In other words, its the Beltway versus the Blogosphere.
Whats interesting is that Rosenberg is himself a Beltway creature, a preternaturally self-assured young insider with a cherubic face and a cold smile. He heads a group called the New Democratic Network and ran his own campaign for DNC chair. But the names he utters with reverence are net-based: organizers such as Eli Pariser and bloggers such as Daily Kos and Atrios.
Rosenberg rejects that notion that the bloggers represent a new Internet Left. Its not an ideological rift, he says, but a narrative of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it. What the blogs have developed is a narrative, he told me the other day, and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.
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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beltway; beltwaydems; blogosphere; dhpl; dnc; dummies; elites; fineman; hillary2008; howardfineman; liberal; liberals; moveon; weblogs
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To: Kryptonite
Clinton "war-room" recycled...
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posted on
09/15/2005 8:54:36 PM PDT
by
kcvl
To: kcvl
A think tank and not much more, until big money gets behind them.
Examine what the article says:
Rosenberg rejects that notion that the bloggers represent a new Internet Left. Its not an ideological rift, he says, but a narrative of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it. What the blogs have developed is a narrative, he told me the other day, and the narrative is that the official Washington party has become like Vichy France.
So much Blah, Blah, Blah - perfectly general and perfectly meaningless, but it's nice to see them calling their own weak and surrendering Frenchies.
Beating up even more on Bush is NOT the answer for them. Fineman is hurting their cause.
To: RWR8189
"Its not an ideological rift, he says, but a narrative of independence versus capitulation: too many Democrats here are too yielding to George W. Bush on the war in Iraq, on tax policy, you name it. " What more does this jokester want the Washington Democrats to do, throw their dirty diapers at the White House?
To: nutmeg
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posted on
09/15/2005 10:37:04 PM PDT
by
nutmeg
("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
To: RWR8189
Howard still looks at every news story according to how it impacts the Clintons.
I still wonder what alternate universe people are watching when they claim the Democrats are "too nice" to President Bush. When? I've never seen it.
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posted on
09/15/2005 10:42:12 PM PDT
by
Tall_Texan
(RIP New Orleans 1718-2005)
To: RWR8189
"Too many governing Democrats, he says, wrongly assume that their partys traditional vision of competent, benevolent government has been rejected by the voters. It hasnt, he says." The problem REALLY is that too many NON-governing Democrats have recognized that "competent, benevolent government" was a lie...an illusion, rather than a "vision".
Simon should stick to "drawerings". He's joining in the process of revealing how completely the Democratic Party has lost all sensibility. It's a big asylum, and the crazier you are the more popular you can be.
To: RWR8189
The shrillness of their cries has grown as the emptiness of their ideology has been increasingly exposed.
The insanity of Howard Dean's scream, Michael Moore's films, Cindy Sheehan, and then the idiots grilling Roberts.
Only a crazy person would put his trust in the likes of these.
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posted on
09/15/2005 10:54:21 PM PDT
by
Rocky
(Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
To: Rocky
Rosenberg sure likes to romanticize his guys.
The only narrative they really care about is the one concerning profit margins.
To: RWR8189
It must be truly galling to the one or two Dems who still want to be effective leaders that Kos and Atrios command their money apparatus.
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posted on
09/16/2005 3:45:40 AM PDT
by
.cnI redruM
( "Go ahead, punk, make my Earl Grey." - Mark Steyn)
To: Born Conservative
Rush is talking about this now...
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posted on
09/16/2005 10:30:51 AM PDT
by
nutmeg
("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
To: b4its2late; Recovering_Democrat; Alissa; Pan_Yans Wife; LADY J; mathluv; browardchad; cardinal4; ...
Discussed by Rush today...
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posted on
09/16/2005 10:47:33 AM PDT
by
Born Conservative
("I'm expecting that some people who are die-hards will die hard.'' -NOLA parish president)
To: Grampa Dave
This seems like a contrived story to me. Just two weeks ago I saw on NRO that the daily Kos guy was getting ready to destroy the DLC. NRO had a link to Kos who had a countdown going until D Day.
The only thing wrong with this story is that it is OLD NEWS.
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posted on
09/16/2005 11:48:10 AM PDT
by
NeoCaveman
("Government is not the solution, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
To: dubyaismypresident
I see Fineman setting up a protective story incase the rat radical blogger explode big time.
Then, he and the other Beltway/NYC limo liberals can say,
"We warned you about these radical bloggers!"
In the meantime, there is no difference in what these rat bloggers say and what Newsweak, Slime, NY Slimes, Howard Dean and ABCNNBCBS say about our President, his cabinet, John Roberts and other republicans.
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posted on
09/16/2005 11:52:17 AM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
To: Grampa Dave
I see Fineman setting up a protective story incase the rat radical blogger explode big time. Interesting take.
What did you think about Barone's article a few months ago about the blogosphere? He said that the right-blogs had been very successful in discrediting the MSM, while the left-blogs had been successful pushing the Dems further left and that both of these phenomena benefit the Republicans.
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posted on
09/16/2005 11:54:32 AM PDT
by
NeoCaveman
("Government is not the solution, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
To: dubyaismypresident
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posted on
09/16/2005 11:57:13 AM PDT
by
babaloo
To: dubyaismypresident
I think that Barone has sized up what has happened the last two years fairly well.
The drugged out leftwing bloggers come up with some whacked out hit job on GW like the TANG fiasco. Then the entire left wing MSM jumps on it. Eventually this fecal matter falls back into their face as the lies are documented.
We on the other hand identify and isolate these lies and eventually our truth gets legs and destroys the lefts whacked out wet dreams posing as news.
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posted on
09/16/2005 12:00:06 PM PDT
by
Grampa Dave
(Jamie Gorelick is responsible for more dead Americans(9-11) than those killed in Iraq.)
To: AD from SpringBay
I'm also glad government keeps growing no matter who is in charge and that we're turning into a Mexican speaking nation
You forgot to add:
"educated to believe a phony african american history".
:-(
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posted on
09/16/2005 12:02:42 PM PDT
by
cgbg
(A cigar a day keeps secular Puritans away.)
To: AD from SpringBay
I'm also glad government keeps growing no matter who is in charge and that we're turning into a Mexican speaking nation.Your right. And it's a damn shame everybody doen't speak American.
(/sarc.)
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posted on
09/16/2005 12:04:58 PM PDT
by
NeoCaveman
("Government is not the solution, it is the problem" - Ronald Reagan)
To: Grampa Dave
This seems like a contrived story to me. Ditto.
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posted on
09/16/2005 5:13:56 PM PDT
by
NewLand
(Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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