Fox News Just Said Federal Judge says Pledge "Un-Constitutional"

[nov7freedomday]

Just heard on top of the hour on Fox News Radio

[MineralMan]

Just to make it clear, here are the California results in the 2004 Presidential election:

Kerry
6,745,485 54%
Bush
(Incumbent)
5,509,826 45%

Since over 5 1/2 million Californians voted for Bush, that number of votes probably is larger than the number of votes for Bush in any other state in this country, or comes close. Maybe New York mustered more votes for Bush, but I doubt it.

5.5 Million Bush supporters in California. 5.5 MILLION.

[MineralMan]

You, too, eh. Sorry your post lasted such a short time. Please see my message above.

[E Rocc]

See the part about the 'prohibiting the free exercise thereof'? Prohibiting prayer in schools or ANYWHERE is a blatant violation of the 1st.

False. Prayer is not prohibited. The state granting special status to certain forms of prayer is.

-Eric

[BadAndy]

Newdow, same sh*t

[twigs]

I think that this is different from school prayer. I could understand if schools could not require students who did not want to recite it to do so. But if I understand you correctly, this does not allow students who wish to do so. If it is not part of a classroom's activities, then why would students recite it? You can pray privately--that's part of praying tradition. But reciting the pledge of allegiance is by nature out loud and a communal activity. Or did I miss what you were saying? It's happened before:)

[Black Tooth]

earthquake time

Yeah, yeah! Disaster and death to them all!

Sheesh. Some of you people are down right scary.

[BlackRain]

Hopefully, history will repeat itself with the USC over-ruling this asshat.

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For Immediate Release
October 16, 1996
#96-028
CALIFORNIA PRISONS WIN MAJOR COURT VICTORY

The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals today reversed a contempt of court order against the California Department of Corrections saying U.S. District Court Judge Lawrence Karlton overstepped his authority in making such a ruling.

http://www.corr.ca.gov/CommunicationsOffice/PressReleases/1996/96-028.asp

[Jersey Republican Biker Chick]

I understood you. Even if others didn't.

[pfony1]

Well, THAT would be like cutting the blood supply to a cancerous tumor.

Might work...

[TaxRelief]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the Judicial Oligarchy of America,
and to the Atheists for which they stand,
One nation under judicial rule, divisible,
with liberty and justice for atheists above all."

[E Rocc]

Hmmm - Unclear on the concept there, troll?

Premature zot, IMO. Several of us with thousands of posts each have said the precise same thing.

This is a conservative site, not a "religious conservative' site.

-Eric

[Borges]

The fact that this ruling banned the Pledge being recited entirely is interesting. This is in fact something of an exercise of judicial restraint or Procedural Due Process. If the Judge was acting on the principal of Substantive Due Process then he would instructed the specific change in the Pledge that would make it palatable. But the headline would have been less imflammatory (Judge Orders Change in Pledge)It's an interesting contradiction in this case. Legal Eagles?

[Eastbound]

The original, authored by a Baptist socialist, modified at the behest of the American Legion, and modified again at the behest of the Knights of Columbus to include the phrase'under God.'

HISTORY OF THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

I believe it is a good idea to recite the Pledge of Allegiance. It's the only verbal public expression that reminds folks that we are a Republic, not a democracy.

It also reminds folks that our Charter was created by our founders who were inspired of God.

I also believe that our Pledge of Allegiance should be by invitation, not compulsory.

The form of invitation that I used when I am required to lead in the Pledge goes like this:

'Ladies and Gentlemen. (Or whatever is appropriate to the group assembled). I invite you to join me in saluting and pledging allegiance to the Flag of Our County.'

Never had a problem with it. People usually look at the flag when they are making the pledge -- not who isn't reciting the pledge.

This would allow non-citizens and those under religous or political convictions to feel at ease in not reciting the pledge.

We have every right to recite the Pledge of Allegiance whereever our Flag is displayed. And for those who do not want to recite the pledge for whatever reason, we recognize their right not to.

[JimWforBush]

Oh, so that's how it works.

[Chances Are]

9th Circuit has 8 states - Montana, Idaho, Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii.

CA....

[MineralMan]

Now, let's see how your state of Pennsylvania did in that election, shall we?

John F. Kerry (D) 2,885,773 51
George W. Bush * (R) 2,756,904 49

Hmmm...More than twice as many Bush supporters in California, aren't there? Have I made my point yet?

[TheForceOfOne]

Maybe you should tone it down there guy, I never said that.

[Smartass]

"Let's see if Mr. Bush is half the man he says he is . ."

George W. Bush doesn't rule on Court cases.

John Roberts will be Chief Justice. Sandra Day O'Connor's replacement will be critical when, and if this case reaches the supreme court. Then, we'll find out what kind of cloth Republican appointees are cut from!

[appalachian_dweller]

I've seen a lot of new articles about schools banning prayer.

I'm no expert on the Constitution, but I've read it a couple of times (and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night). There is the 10th Amendment that says any power not explicitly given to the federal gov't is reserved to the states or to the people.

Are you saying that while the Feds cannot prohibit prayer, the states can? Or am I completely missing what your saying here?