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Germany about to elect a pro-Bush government
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Posted on 09/14/2005 10:05:59 AM PDT by GermanBusiness

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To: GermanBusiness

"We just need to be careful not to have President Bush threaten war between now and Sunday. :-)"

Can we bomb Iran on Sept 19th? ;)


41 posted on 09/14/2005 6:25:52 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GermanBusiness

"Spiegel, like CNN, has updated to lead with the Baghdad attacks instead of the poll results."

Is this a brand new poll in Germany, or is it the GMS poll from yesterday?


42 posted on 09/14/2005 6:27:48 PM PDT by GOPGuide
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To: GermanBusiness
Thanks! That's a great article.

Quote:
The only danger is that the SPD/Greens/Communists end up with their current 48% winning the day combined against a low turnout for conservative voters or super Kerry style turnout for liberals. Then Schroeder could remain Chancellor if he actually allied with the commies...which is entirely possible! Quote:

If the labor and leftist based Socialist/Communist parties successfully create a viable third party in the U.S., Conservatives would enjoy the same success.

Maybe this is why they are bent on taking over the Democratic Party instead of running as Socialists.
43 posted on 09/14/2005 7:01:47 PM PDT by FFforFreedom
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To: GOPGuide

[Schroder will continue to lose support as the effect of the debate wears off]

You mean "as the effect of the liberal spin of the debate wears off" and people come to their senses.

Go to www.blog4berlin.de to see a livelyh debate inside Germany...between Americans. The Germans don't know how to argue against leftist ideology. They are only instinctively voting against it in this election. They are not good at eloquently attacking leftism as a religion like the Republicans have been able to do since 9-11.


44 posted on 09/14/2005 11:27:36 PM PDT by GermanBusiness
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To: All

There are lots of amusingly ignorant postings about Germany here from people who haven't the faintest idea. The one about the Germans loving Communism has to be the funniest...

Schröder will NOT win this election; he will be retired as of Sunday night. Merkel will definitely be Chancellor. However, the big question is, who will she be in coalition with? The Free Democrats with their shirt-lifting joke figure of a chairman, or the Social Democrats? Both these two parties have rejected the flat-tax suggestions of Kirchhof, which have gone down like a lead balloon and seriously compromised Merkel's campaign. The proposal has too many enemies in Merkel's own party too. So it's a non-starter. Forget about any major change in foreign policy too: Merkel will say no to US requests for assistance more nicely. Turkey can also bury its hopes of joining the EU, which the US and UK governments had been advocating. Tax increases will come whoever wins. Germany's most pressing problem is unemployment. Whether Merkel can change this remains to be seen. There will be more tightening up on terrorism, but the present minister is already doing a good job there. Merkel will have to work with a lot of backstabbing party friends who despise her.

Remember not to apply American standards to Germany: conservative means something completely different to what you think, liberal is not an insult, social democrats are not communists, German unions are not like your unions etc. etc.

It should be interesting.




45 posted on 09/15/2005 1:48:17 AM PDT by ukman
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To: GermanBusiness

A London or Madrid attack would create a Spanish Surrender.


46 posted on 09/15/2005 1:55:38 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: ukman

'Tax increases will come whoever wins. Germany's most pressing problem is unemployment.' .......Gee, That will work.


47 posted on 09/15/2005 1:57:43 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion they will give it to you.)
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To: GermanBusiness
"The American left is going to be squealing like a pig...or more likely ignoring the situation as the Germans elect a pro-Bush government, possibly by a landslide in Sunday's national elections."

My knee-jerk response?

Praise God for some sign of sanity in the rest of the world.

48 posted on 09/15/2005 2:02:30 AM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: GermanBusiness
I am living in the Southwest corner of Germany, in the state of Rhineland-Pfalz, and will offer the following observations:

-People want a change. The unemployment rate (5,000,000+) is killing them. The major parties are running on an economic reform/job creation platform.

-Most German's hot button issues are
a)high taxes (Regular unleaded gas costs $6.12 a gallon, about 5.00 is tax.)
b)a desire to maintain a nanny state (I don't see how you can reconcile a with b.)
c) unemployment
d) the continuing cost of reintegrating the East
e) immigration, specifically the benefits given to ethnic Germans wanting back into Germany from Russia, Poland, Romania, etc

-The man on the street feels like the candidates/parties are indistinguishable. They don't feel like either party has the interests of the normal guy in mind.

I think it will tilt towards the CDU.

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49 posted on 09/15/2005 2:14:26 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Grant what Thou commandest, and command what Thou dost desire." Augustine)
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To: Gamecock; Michael81Dus; americanbychoice2; wolf78
I hope you are right. I am just an ignorant observer from afar, but I fear if it is very close, Schröder will abandon his promise not to do so, and try to hang on by means of a red-red-green coalition (SDP, Linkspartei, Greens).
50 posted on 09/15/2005 2:21:23 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: Heatseeker

Schröder has categorically ruled out working with the Linkspartei. It's basically the old East German SED headed by Oskar Lafontaine, darling of the left, but considered a traitor by the mainstream SPD.


51 posted on 09/15/2005 2:57:37 AM PDT by ukman
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I hope you are right. It's probably apostasy here on FR, but I wish Angela had not brought Kirchhof forward. Nevertheless, I'm still hoping that the trajectory of the 1980 US presidential election applies, and there is significant movement back to the CDU/CSU at the last minute.

Surely by now everyone has realized Merkel will be Chancellor and, that being the case, there is no point in voting for false change (grand coalition) when real change (CD/FD) can be had.

52 posted on 09/15/2005 3:39:37 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: george wythe

You will know it in the afternoon lately. We close the ballots at 6 pm local time, then we´re counting and while we do that, the demography institutes release their polls taken from representative voter offices. The final result (with the exception of one district, which is going to vote in October) will be released at ca. 11 pm local time (5 pm EST). Until that, I still have some hours of campaigning. WE´LL MAKE IT!!!


53 posted on 09/15/2005 3:54:52 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Wir wählen CDU, CDU, wähl auch du CDU, ich weiß jetzt schon was ich tu, was denn sonst - CDU!!)
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To: Sax

This drinking buddy is also in trouble. At home, the race for Chiracs succession is opened. Either PM Villepin or (my favourite) Interior Minister Sarkozy is most likely the next French President. Sarkozy and Merkel both agree that France and Germany should not play down the importance of the other EU-countries. So, say good-bye to the axis Paris-Berlin-Moscow-Bejing.


54 posted on 09/15/2005 3:58:34 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Wir wählen CDU, CDU, wähl auch du CDU, ich weiß jetzt schon was ich tu, was denn sonst - CDU!!)
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To: Heatseeker

It is close indeed. However, 30% are still undecided. I just come home from street campaigning - and my impression is, that those undecided can be easily (!) turned around to us if they think about the economy and the Bundesrat majority of the CDU/CSU/FDP.


55 posted on 09/15/2005 4:01:31 AM PDT by Michael81Dus (Wir wählen CDU, CDU, wähl auch du CDU, ich weiß jetzt schon was ich tu, was denn sonst - CDU!!)
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To: Michael81Dus
It is close indeed. However, 30% are still undecided.

That is indeed good news - lots of room there for a big swing to the CDU. And congratulations for all your work for the campaign!

56 posted on 09/15/2005 5:18:16 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: Michael81Dus

I think that would be a good change of pace for everyone - cheers!


57 posted on 09/15/2005 6:10:09 AM PDT by Sax
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To: Heatseeker

I would agree that 30% undecided means that there are people who are considering the CDU, which is great because leftists would normally not consider such. Anyone who would consider CDU, can and will vote CDU. Merkel has been good at not being too pro-Bush in this campaign (unlike the last campaign 3 years ago). I hate to say that of course. Her speeches about Bush were wonderful 3 years ago. But they lost her the election by a hair's breadth (lost Stoiber the election).

This time around, the election is not about Bush. That is a major thing.

Merkel is a woman. That gets extra female votes. There was no flood to give Schroeder a thankful East Germany this time (thankful for the largesse he doled out). There has got to be 1% each for that.

The CDU had 49.3% of the vote in 2002 and that meant they lost big-time!

I am predicting 51% on Sunday night. It could, however, become a cake walk with 55% of more if the Linkspartei peals off enough votes in each liberal district to give the CDU those districts.

This is what I am really hoping for: a landslide in the directly elected half of the 600 seat Bundestag.


58 posted on 09/15/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by GermanBusiness
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To: GermanBusiness
Sounds good to me! The European media I am reading is ferociously anti-CDU, no surprise there. And if the bureaucrats in Brussels were in despair over the French 'non' vote on the EU constitution, an outright CDU/CSU/FDP win will make them jump out of the windows!
59 posted on 09/15/2005 7:08:04 AM PDT by Heatseeker ("I sort of like liberals now. They’re kind of cute when they’re shivering and afraid." - Ann Coulter)
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To: GermanBusiness

>a landslide in the directly elected half of the 600 seat Bundestag<

I think this is highly unlikely.


60 posted on 09/15/2005 7:09:06 AM PDT by ukman
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