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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^
| 13 September 2005
| Tom Hundley
Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?
Probably nothing.
[snip]
Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.
[snip]
From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."
Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."
If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.
[snip]
The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.
Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.
Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.
The argument continues unabated ...
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevo; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; thisisgettingold
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
So stone me.
Don't Do It!
He'll cry 'VICTIM' on us!!
--EvoDude
881
posted on
09/15/2005 6:04:55 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: VadeRetro
That is creepy. Just creepy.Yes, it is!
882
posted on
09/15/2005 6:05:31 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Dr. Eckleburg
Another day, and we have less food. What shall we DO?????
883
posted on
09/15/2005 6:06:48 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Junior
I can't even be nuts normally. Watch it!!
YOU'll be accused of being funny, too!
;^)
884
posted on
09/15/2005 6:09:21 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: VadeRetro; Ichneumon
(Did I hear a creationist in the back row say something about "no transitional fossils?") No, but one did just say, "Where's the PICTURES of the bones?"
885
posted on
09/15/2005 6:11:49 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Elsie
Anything you can receive through a modem will either be a photograph or a drawing, not a bone. Limitations of the medium and all that.
886
posted on
09/15/2005 6:13:38 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Junior
It was supposed to be a play on spelling pointed out by VuV;
I had gotten some of them for Christmas a few years ago.
887
posted on
09/15/2005 6:13:43 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Coyoteman
--you can count all the individual hairs.Just like Jesus said!
(Though now, God keeps decreasing the number of mine!)
888
posted on
09/15/2005 6:15:20 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: RightWingNilla
Oh dear, which church? Why...
The CHURCH!!
The ONLY one with the ACTUAL keys: The RCC!!
Wait!
The MORMON's claim that only THEY have the 'priesthood'.
Oh... I'm SO confused.....
889
posted on
09/15/2005 6:18:10 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Vive ut Vivas
A container of Testamints!
890
posted on
09/15/2005 6:19:21 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Junior
Shades of that scene from National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation...Yes; truly electrifying!
891
posted on
09/15/2005 6:20:51 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: js1138
It is quite possible that such folks don't find it necessary to seek help. Most people only get worried when the voices tell them to do things the people would find personally abhorent.
892
posted on
09/15/2005 6:21:17 AM PDT
by
Junior
(Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
Were you there? placemarker
</flaming idiot mode>
893
posted on
09/15/2005 6:22:31 AM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Discoveries attributable to the scientific method -- 100%; to creation science -- zero.)
To: Vive ut Vivas
...with all organisms "leading up" to humankind, and us being the grand finale.I wonder what will come after us?
We are actively engaged in making sure that evolution does NOT happen in Humans!
Every birth 'defect' is aggressively wiped out, so how can 'changes' be propagated?
894
posted on
09/15/2005 6:24:27 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Junior
Most people only get worried when the voices tell them to do things the people would find personally abhorent. And this is rare. Most people's voices whisper, "This is your chance! Go for it!"
895
posted on
09/15/2005 6:25:22 AM PDT
by
VadeRetro
(Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
To: Doctor Stochastic
Wouldn't any such nation suffer an epidemic of obesity? We HAVE!!
Therefore FSM is our GOD!
Hail to His NA's!!!!
896
posted on
09/15/2005 6:27:29 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: Junior
The FSM did give us the relatively low-calorie, low carbohydrate Spaghetti Squash, did he not? False god: do NOT worship Him!!
897
posted on
09/15/2005 6:28:32 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
To: newsgatherer
...followers of evolution look in the eyes of their granddaughters, the ones they haven't help get aborted, and see pond scum and a rock. Man, have you got issues. I don't have a granddaughter (yet), but when I looked into my kids eyes I saw little bits of me and their mother; and like any other parental warm-blooded organism on this planet I happen to be very protective of my offspring.
I'm definitely off my rocker, but I cannot fathom the twisted intellect that reads motives into others such as the ones you postulate are held by evolutionists. I've often thought it might be "projection."
898
posted on
09/15/2005 6:28:39 AM PDT
by
Junior
(Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
To: Elsie
899
posted on
09/15/2005 6:30:34 AM PDT
by
Junior
(Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
To: b_sharp
About 15 minutes into it the variables became so numerous that I simply gave it up. I wish a few creationists would try that calculation so they could see how difficult it can be to find fossils for specific lineages and how remarkable it is we have as many as we do. But if WE point out that all of the 'little changes' neccessary for Evolution to have actually occured in the amount of time postulated is likewise unimagineable, we get dismissed.
Strange....
900
posted on
09/15/2005 6:35:09 AM PDT
by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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