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Intelligent design [was] old news to Darwin
Chicago Tribune ^ | 13 September 2005 | Tom Hundley

Posted on 09/13/2005 4:15:07 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

So what would Charles Darwin have to say about the dust-up between today's evolutionists and intelligent designers?

Probably nothing.

[snip]

Even after he became one of the most famous and controversial men of his time, he was always content to let surrogates argue his case.

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From his university days Darwin would have been familiar with the case for intelligent design. In 1802, nearly 30 years before the Beagle set sail, William Paley, the reigning theologian of his time, published "Natural Theology" in which he laid out his "Argument from Design."

Paley contended that if a person discovered a pocket watch while taking a ramble across the heath, he would know instantly that this was a designed object, not something that had evolved by chance. Therefore, there must be a designer. Similarly, man -- a marvelously intricate piece of biological machinery -- also must have been designed by "Someone."

If this has a familiar ring to it, it's because this is pretty much the same argument that intelligent design advocates use today.

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The first great public debate took place on June 30, 1860, in a packed hall at Oxford University's new Zoological Museum.

Samuel Wilberforce, the learned bishop of Oxford, was champing at the bit to demolish Darwin's notion that man descended from apes. As always, Darwin stayed home. His case was argued by one of his admirers, biologist Thomas Huxley.

Wilberforce drew whoops of glee from the gallery when he sarcastically asked Huxley if he claimed descent from the apes on his grandmother's side or his grandfather's. Huxley retorted that he would rather be related to an ape than to a man of the church who used half-truths and nonsense to attack science.

The argument continues unabated ...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; crevo; crevolist; crevorepublic; enoughalready; thisisgettingold
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To: RightWingNilla
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1,362 posted on 09/16/2005 12:35:52 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I knew I detected a Catholic school upbringing in your bitterness.

Oh, now, I'm not the one promoting a sect that advocates stoning for disobedient children.

Ireland is finding peace at last, thank God and the Bush administration.

Yes it is, although W had little to do with it. Mostly I think people just got fed up, and started wondering why they were fighting for scraps while just across the border they were getting rich.

1,363 posted on 09/16/2005 12:37:22 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Quark2005
Most confirmed measurements say it extends about 13.5 billion years from Earth in any given direction.

Hey, get your own refrigerator! My wife pushes the six-pack way in the back, and I have to use warp drive to get a brew?

1,364 posted on 09/16/2005 12:39:30 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Quark2005

How can you, a mere man, describe anothers refrigerator?


1,366 posted on 09/16/2005 12:42:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Mostly I think people just got fed up, and started wondering why they were fighting for scraps while just across the border they were getting rich.

They need to package this and send it to Gaza!

1,367 posted on 09/16/2005 12:43:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Hey, get your own refrigerator! My wife pushes the six-pack way in the back, and I have to use warp drive to get a brew?

I'm just saying it's a big refrigerator! There should be enough room for everyone's elephants.

1,368 posted on 09/16/2005 12:44:19 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Where's the science?)
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To: Right Wing Professor
...although W had little to do with it. Mostly I think people just got fed up

That's what my liberal friends say about the Soviet Union. But I don't believe things "just happen."

1,369 posted on 09/16/2005 12:47:16 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Right Wing Professor

1,370 posted on 09/16/2005 12:48:04 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
IF there exists a God who created heaven and earth, would it be a bad thing for all the world to acknowledge that specific God?

That's not what you've been asking. You've been asking what would be so bad if God ran the show. The two are not synonymous.

1,371 posted on 09/16/2005 12:48:57 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Elsie
They need to package this and send it to Gaza!

Alas, Islam seems to immunize them against those sorts of considerations.

1,372 posted on 09/16/2005 12:49:11 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Elsie

Amen. Romans 9 is about as perfect a statement of God's will as any ever written.


1,373 posted on 09/16/2005 12:49:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Right Wing Professor; PatrickHenry
Here we are. A couple of examples of the good Dr G's palpable madness. Even more wonderful is that a fellow delusionist^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^ creationist responded with approval to one of these posts! Unfortunately the rest of the usual suspects maintained a circumspect silence (whilst crossing to the other side of the road and averting their eyes)

Loony tunes 1

Screw Loose 2

1,374 posted on 09/16/2005 12:50:11 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I goofed that up. Here's the rest of the memeology.


1,375 posted on 09/16/2005 12:51:34 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Thatcherite
And so, they mistakenly believe that the bible thumpers, such as myself, not only have less satisfying sex, but that we want to make everyone else experience less satisfying sex too.

This is great stuff. Classic comedy gold. Thanks for finding it.

1,376 posted on 09/16/2005 12:52:38 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: RightWingNilla

Always glad to be of service.

The effort was worth it for me anyway, I got to laugh at it all over again.


1,377 posted on 09/16/2005 12:54:13 PM PDT by Thatcherite (Conservative and Biblical Literalist are not synonymous)
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To: Junior
My question was clear and consistent, and two guys have answered it so far.

IF there exists a God who created heaven and earth (one that we would agree on at some future date, considering the supposition here is that there IS such a God), would it be a bad thing for all the world to acknowledge that specific God?

That's the same question I've asked for hours.

1,378 posted on 09/16/2005 12:56:14 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray)
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To: Thatcherite; PatrickHenry
Pure H2O means we have cut out the impurities. It means it is our option.

PH, these are definitely keepers.

1,379 posted on 09/16/2005 12:58:57 PM PDT by RightWingNilla
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To: PatrickHenry

This cultural war debate has been going on since the late Roman (Byzantine) era.. witness the following:

"Knowing Pythagoras and Aristotle and Plato a person can grasp the truth".

---Barlaam the Calabrian

VS


"...a classical education helps the natural knowledge of man about created things, but it can never become itself intellectual knowledge, unless it joins with faith and the Agape of God and, even more, unless it regenerates itself from this Agape and from the Grace that emanates from this Agape, and unless it becomes different from what it was before; that is new, Godlike, pure, peaceful, tolerant, amenable, full of words that enlighten those that listen to them and bearing good fruit, knowledge which is also called the wisdom of God..."
---St. Gregory Palamas

Fortunately back then Barlaam and his infectious ideology lost the battle then and the secularists will lose again.

http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/Gregory_Palamas


1,380 posted on 09/16/2005 12:59:02 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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