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Up For Grabs: Sociologists Question How Much Looting And Mayhem Really Took Place In New Orleans
The Boston Globe ^ | 9/11/2005 | Christopher Shea

Posted on 09/12/2005 6:13:03 PM PDT by steve-b

By now the images and stories of looting and mayhem in New Orleans--the residents "shopping" for nonessentials in an abandoned Wal-Mart, alleged rapes in the Superdome, a shot fired at a rescue helicopter -- have been burned into the brain of every television watcher and newspaper reader in America. But do they give us an accurate picture of the aftermath of the flood?

In fact, if criminal violence were indeed rampant in New Orleans after Katrina hit (setting aside the taking of food, water, bandages, and other necessities of survival), that would contradict much of what sociologists have learned in a half century of research about such situations. "The evidence is overwhelming," says Enrico Quarantelli, an emeritus professor of sociology and the founding director of the Disaster Research Center at the University of Delaware, "that in the standard natural disaster or technological disaster"--like a chemical spill -- "you're not going to get looting."...

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bang; katrina; looters; media; nola; sociology
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To: ModelBreaker

This is just denial. Check the crime stats for NO. Also, realize that the rest of the people in LA were so aware and self protective that people in the Superdome had to be evacuated by air 300 miles to Houston. That is a really odd part of this story. Noone came from the hundreds of LA towns to rescue thior own neighbors. That must have been because of their crime rep.


61 posted on 09/12/2005 8:25:59 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ModelBreaker

You sir or madam have written an excellent treatise, pithy and accurate!

Nice job, right in the bull's eye. It illustrates in just a few short lines exactly why I hate repeat HATE clintonian liberals!!!


62 posted on 09/12/2005 8:35:39 PM PDT by Husker8877
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To: steve-b
Sociology departments are notorious stomping grounds for lefties, including registered socialists and communists. And they don't like it when reality conflicts with their biased "research" and view of the world.

Who are you gonna believe, a socialist sociologist or your own lyin' eyes?

63 posted on 09/12/2005 8:45:29 PM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: steve-b
When facts and liberal idioms collide, the facts are wrong. Sometimes it takes a long time to see the collision because it was obscured by clouds of liberal propaganda.. Sort of like trying to observe electrons.
64 posted on 09/12/2005 11:41:33 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: steve-b

65 posted on 09/12/2005 11:47:09 PM PDT by wardaddy (OK.....it was my fault.)
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To: steve-b

We have the same argument here

Lying eyes versus good thoughts.

the age old struggle


66 posted on 09/12/2005 11:50:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (OK.....it was my fault.)
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To: Graybeard58
I bet alot more than reported.
67 posted on 09/12/2005 11:52:07 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: Aznar5

Heineken, it's all about the beer.


68 posted on 09/12/2005 11:54:02 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Aznar5

Heineken, it's all about the beer.


69 posted on 09/12/2005 11:54:06 PM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: steve-b
The leftists want Middle America to believe that inner-city predators are really helpless victims of racism and the Man.

Last week's explosion of violence in New Orleans ripped the cover off that fiction. We therefore see the leftists claiming, with straight faces, that it didn't really happen.

70 posted on 09/13/2005 12:01:26 AM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Mister Baredog
that would contradict much of what sociologists have learned in a half century of research about such situations.

Half century is about how long sociology has ceased to even pretend to be an impartial social "science". Indeed since even earlier it has been nothing but an academic branch of outright Marxism and leftism. We could shut down every sociology department in the world, without hurting the overall quality of academia at all. Sociology has become not merely an "infiltrated" academic discipline, it has actually ceased to be an academic discipline altogether.

I was an eyewitness to the "looting party" that went on for several days in Los Angeles.

What would you know? You merely "saw" what was going on; you don't have the benefit of half a century of sociological "theory" to explain what you were seeing!

There's also a popular leftist conspiracy theory right now that says that the snipers and armed attacks on policemen and rescuers in New Orleans are nothing but "rumors" designed to excuse the slow response of the rescuers, and that most of the crime and rape was "exaggerated" or "rumor". You can't trust the media! They are all in cahoots to make Bush look good by lying about "black crime" in New Orleans. It's all so obvious!

Yikes.

71 posted on 09/13/2005 12:15:58 AM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: steve-b

Statistics from the lootees should tell us plenty.


72 posted on 09/13/2005 12:20:10 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: fat city
but...but...but...the Laws of Sociology!!!

Bingo!

If you can't show the math, it's faith, not science.

73 posted on 09/13/2005 12:35:28 AM PDT by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: steve-b

To even suggest that looting occured is RACISM. It would be
OK to report looting by whites in Jeff Parish, but history has
shown (LA, Detroit, etc) that blacks never loot.




74 posted on 09/13/2005 12:44:49 AM PDT by RWCon
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To: atomicpossum

Well, when you have multiple videos of looting from different sources it's hard to ignore...


75 posted on 09/13/2005 3:37:57 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68
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To: spycatcher
These people that want believe everybody is good inside, etc. need to work in one of these areas (like I do) where when the electricity fails, you get the hell out or subject yourself to "humans" that are quickly transformed into something less than animal...
76 posted on 09/13/2005 3:50:24 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68
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To: muawiyah

Actually, the gentlemen is carrying hermetically sealed, not easily contaminated beverages to Our Mother of Perpetual Freeloader's Orphanage to distribute equally among the dehydrated children...


77 posted on 09/13/2005 3:56:03 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68
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To: Rocketwolf68

For all we know that could be true. In any case, if your beverage bottle comes into contact with the contaminated water you must wash it carefully with bleach.


78 posted on 09/13/2005 5:02:19 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Aznar5

He is taking that beer back to the store because the " born on date " had expired.


79 posted on 09/13/2005 5:17:23 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: xzins

I was in New Orleans over the Labor Day Weekend doing a security assessment. I can only report on what I saw. There was evidence of looting and stories of rapes. It was damned hard to find a body, but there were some to be found. As for shots fired, everyone had reports, but they had all happened to "some other guy or aircraft"

The one thing I learned for sure was that the media cannot be trusted. Their reports were completely at variance with what I saw. The city was flooded, but not as badly as I had imagined from press reports. I saw no danger in travelling during the daytime. I had concerns about doing the same during darkness, but I doubt any reporters were out there to discover the truth. Rumors were running rampant, and the press was all reporting it as fact. Ever wonder what happened to those 10,000 bodies? Guess the dogs ate them.

The rumors were akin to what I heard when I first arrived at Long Binh. Things were pretty calm there, but boy is it bad up there at Tuy Hoa. When I got to Tuy Hoa they told me that all was quiet, but wait till you get to Pleiku. Once at Pleiku, everyone was relaxed but they sure felt sorry for those poor souls up at Kontum. When I got to Kontum ... well, you get the picture.


80 posted on 09/13/2005 5:30:48 AM PDT by centurion316 (Never apologize, its a sign of weakness)
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