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Up For Grabs: Sociologists Question How Much Looting And Mayhem Really Took Place In New Orleans
The Boston Globe ^ | 9/11/2005 | Christopher Shea

Posted on 09/12/2005 6:13:03 PM PDT by steve-b

By now the images and stories of looting and mayhem in New Orleans--the residents "shopping" for nonessentials in an abandoned Wal-Mart, alleged rapes in the Superdome, a shot fired at a rescue helicopter -- have been burned into the brain of every television watcher and newspaper reader in America. But do they give us an accurate picture of the aftermath of the flood?

In fact, if criminal violence were indeed rampant in New Orleans after Katrina hit (setting aside the taking of food, water, bandages, and other necessities of survival), that would contradict much of what sociologists have learned in a half century of research about such situations. "The evidence is overwhelming," says Enrico Quarantelli, an emeritus professor of sociology and the founding director of the Disaster Research Center at the University of Delaware, "that in the standard natural disaster or technological disaster"--like a chemical spill -- "you're not going to get looting."...

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bang; katrina; looters; media; nola; sociology
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To: steve-b

21 posted on 09/12/2005 6:33:01 PM PDT by mcar
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To: steve-b

This is hilarious! The looting was obvious. I'll bet Kerry and Kennedy read this junk and believe every word of it.


22 posted on 09/12/2005 6:33:10 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: steve-b
"The evidence is overwhelming ... that in the standard natural disaster or technological disaster" --like a chemical spill -- "you're not going to get looting."...

("but we're working on it") ;)
23 posted on 09/12/2005 6:34:23 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: kcar

...to say nothing of federal grants. Oh yeah, same thing.


24 posted on 09/12/2005 6:34:31 PM PDT by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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To: steve-b

There weren't really that many dead bodies. There wasn't really that much looting. There weren't really that many rapes. There weren't really that many shots fired.

Ben Stein is right: the story of New Orleans is the MSM screaming fire.


25 posted on 09/12/2005 6:36:06 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: steve-b

Psychology, sociology, etc are all just THEORIES and generalities based on observations.


26 posted on 09/12/2005 6:38:14 PM PDT by TX Bluebonnet
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To: steve-b
In fact, if criminal violence were indeed rampant in New Orleans after Katrina hit (setting aside the taking of food, water, bandages, and other necessities of survival), that would contradict much of what sociologists have learned in a half century of research about such situations. "The evidence is overwhelming," says Enrico Quarantelli, an emeritus professor of sociology and the founding director of the Disaster Research Center at the University of Delaware, "that in the standard natural disaster or technological disaster"--like a chemical spill -- "you're not going to get looting."...

So, all the semi's lined up at deserted Wal-Mart's were not looting? What about the jewelry stores, clothing stores, the DVD's, CD's, the big screen TV's? I am sure these items were needed in the Super-dome to feed the people there.

27 posted on 09/12/2005 6:38:14 PM PDT by Yellow Rose of Texas (Freeper amom will be reporting live from BRLA)
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To: kcar

While I question the sociologist and the research, I also believe that some of the more bizzare reports were also of the Telephone Game type. That is the media would jump on and sensationalize any rumor. The media also exaggerate for their own benefits whatever is awful, tragic. They do the same thing with the Iraq coverage.


28 posted on 09/12/2005 6:39:16 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (I'm sick of Oprah!)
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To: steve-b

So what they are saying here is "DON`T BELEIVE THE MEDIA" !!

That part I agree with.


29 posted on 09/12/2005 6:41:48 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: cardinal4
Certainly no fishwrap from Kennedy-Kerry land..

Fishwrap? Heck, I use it as puppy-pee absorbent!

30 posted on 09/12/2005 6:42:04 PM PDT by albertp (Malice in Blunderland, The Wizard of Odd, Gullible's Troubles! Steal the wealth, spread the poverty.)
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To: Americanwolf

NOLA was an example of rioting by the MSM and a looting of the truth.


31 posted on 09/12/2005 6:43:31 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't Tread on Me; Live Free or Die)
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To: steve-b

I wonder if the sociologist will bet their degrees that Texas's crime rate won't be up next year.


32 posted on 09/12/2005 6:53:59 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most, have the least for my views.)
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To: muawiyah
Best to not believe what you see.


33 posted on 09/12/2005 6:54:41 PM PDT by Aznar5
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
I wouldn't bet against the MSM (or even FoxNews, pretending to be outside that nexus) over-hyping a story. But when reports and pics, cams establish the truth to the politically incorrect unblinking newsies, the Seared, and then professors espousing (largely Marxist) theories seek to revisit or supplant that evidential history with over 50 years of "established" esoteric theory, I'll trust my eyes and head to decide where truth lies between those two influences.

Ingrateful welfare recipients wouldn't act that awfully? That's a stretch to me. Given the lyrics of Rap - those pics and vidoes seem very inconveniently true.

34 posted on 09/12/2005 6:55:07 PM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: steve-b

< "that in the standard natural disaster or technological disaster"--like a chemical spill -- "you're not going to get looting."... >

...but you will get stealing.


35 posted on 09/12/2005 6:55:14 PM PDT by GOP_Proud (Those who preach tolerance most, have the least for my views.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Good point. The stories of rapes and child-killings in the football stadium have since proved false. The lamestream media is just as deserving of criticism as the bungled rescue effort.


36 posted on 09/12/2005 6:55:49 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Jeanine Pirro for Senate, Hillary Clinton for Weight Watchers Spokeswoman)
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To: dighton

They should talk to this woman:

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050905072844306

Gaynell Farrell, 56, who has worked for the Whitney National Bank in New Orleans for 27 years - her husband rode the storm out in a suburb of New Orleans and has survived - says she is certain of what she saw and heard. If there is an official investigation of events in the arena, Ms Farrell might want to testify.

"You don't want to know what it was like. We had killings, abortions, babies born, toilets stacked up and it was hot, hot, hot." Pressed for details, she doesn't hesitate. She speaks of two girls being raped and murdered inside the dome, one aged seven. The other was 16 and was "slit open" by a knife after she was raped in the woman's bathroom, she says. Much of what she tells is similarly described by several other dome evacuees. A boy aged seven was also raped by two men. (Mr Allen says the rapist was chased down by other men and beaten before being handed over to the soldiers. He claims they also beat him and then threw him from a terrace outside the Superdome to the asphalt, killing him.)

"There was babies born and put in the garbage," Ms Farrell continues. Apparently, someone else found one infant alive and took it to the small clinic they had inside. Almost everyone talks of gunshots in the night, including one shooting of a National Guard soldier. Ms Farrell says the soldier died, others spoke of him being wounded in the leg and surviving. Meanwhile, she adds, a black-market trade flourished in marijuana cigarettes, crack cocaine, guns and alcohol, in plain view of the authorities. Men were flashing their penises at the women, who dared only go to the bathroom in groups of five. When the bathrooms became so foul that going into them was impossible, people began squatting down just anywhere to relieve themselves. "Human beings don't live like that, people in the street don't live like that," she says.


37 posted on 09/12/2005 6:55:52 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: steve-b

Who are you going to beleive -- the expert sociologists, or your untrained eyes?
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Were you there? If not your eyes saw what sensationalizing members of the press wanted you to see. Really what sensationalizing members of the press knew you wanted to see. So you saw the looting and heard the rumors of murder and rape. We shall see if they turn out to be true.

If the prior experience is different, then the professionals are correct to question the press reports. In my view we have too little not too much questioning of press reports in this country.


38 posted on 09/12/2005 7:01:52 PM PDT by JLS
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To: Aznar5
The authenticity of this photo was questioned and discussed here on FR a week ago.

The result was inconclusive.

However, this gentleman is showing you the correct way to recover and transport potable beverages in an area covered in contaminated water.

39 posted on 09/12/2005 7:02:17 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Yes, the stories of child rapes had already been used by Janet Reno in a different event.

Folks have learned to be careful when someone starts the debate about a situation with that one.

40 posted on 09/12/2005 7:04:09 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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