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John Stossel: Before New Deal, Mutual-Aid Societies Ubiquitous, Effective
townhall.com ^ | 8/24/05 | John Stossel

Posted on 09/10/2005 5:04:12 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot

Now I realize that private charity would do much more -- if government hadn't crowded it out. In the 1920s -- the last decade before the Roosevelt administration launched its campaign to federalize nearly everything -- 30 percent of American men belonged to mutual aid societies, groups of people with similar backgrounds who banded together to help members in trouble. They were especially common among minorities.

Mutual aid societies paid for doctors, built orphanages and cooked for the poor. Neighbors knew best what neighbors needed. They were better at making judgments about who needs a handout and who needed a kick in the rear. They helped the helpless, but administered tough love to the rest. They taught self-sufficiency.

Mutual aid didn't solve every problem, so government stepped in. But government didn't solve every problem either. Instead, it caused more problems by driving private charity out. Today, there are fewer mutual-aid societies, because people say, "We already pay taxes for HUD, HHS. Let the professionals do it." Big Government tells both the poor and those who would help them, "Don't try."

Private charity develops a sense of personal responsibility for recipients, and it does something similar for donors, too...

When you rely on the government to help those who need it, you don't practice benevolence yourself. You don't take responsibility for deciding whom to help. Just as public assistance discourages the poor from becoming independent by rewarding them with fixed handouts, it discourages the rest of us from being benevolent. This may be the greatest irony of the welfare state: It not only encourages the poor to stay dependent, it kills individuals' desire to help them.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: biggovernment; charities; dependency; newdeal; stossel; welfare; welfarestate
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I first saw this excerpt in a recent Center for Individual Freedom "Lunchtime Liberty Update", I believe.
1 posted on 09/10/2005 5:04:13 AM PDT by Jacksonville Patriot
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Stossel is spot on.


2 posted on 09/10/2005 5:06:02 AM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

I tried making this point about mutual aid societies to a liberal and the government basically putting them out of business.

They told me I was lying.


3 posted on 09/10/2005 5:06:51 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: listenhillary

LOL! Yeah, me too. They actually get angry with you when you try to mess with their world view. It's hilarious.


5 posted on 09/10/2005 5:31:30 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: listenhillary

To a liberal its not about what works, its about how good they feel. Thats why I don't understand why they prefer public charity over private charity. Likewise, since I'm already being forced to give over $1000 from my tax money to katrina relief, I see no reason to give a dime more.


6 posted on 09/10/2005 5:31:43 AM PDT by razzle
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Mavin Olasky wrote a book about this.


7 posted on 09/10/2005 5:33:28 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

So, once again Pres. Bush was right. It's called "Faith Based Charity," and the libs HATE it.


8 posted on 09/10/2005 5:38:09 AM PDT by kitkat ("We're not going to let anybody frighten us from our great love of freedom." GWB, 7/22/05))
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To: Tribune7
Mavin Olasky wrote a book about this.

'The Tragedy of American Compassion". It was real eye opener. Highly recommended.

9 posted on 09/10/2005 5:48:08 AM PDT by randita
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To: Tribune7
Mavin Olasky wrote a book about this.

Haven't read Olasky's book, but another fine one on the same theme is "The Burden of Bad Ideas" by Heather Mac Donald.

10 posted on 09/10/2005 6:04:20 AM PDT by ihatemyalarmclock
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

The hundreds of millions of dollars collected by private organizations for Katrina relief is a mere decimal point compared to the government appropriation.


11 posted on 09/10/2005 7:04:25 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Rush said $200,000 so far for every affected Katrina "victim". Could have been per New Orleans victim. It is a chunk of money though.


12 posted on 09/10/2005 7:11:15 AM PDT by listenhillary (The MAINSTREAM MEDIA is NOT a branch of government)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

bttt


13 posted on 09/10/2005 9:00:25 PM PDT by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

The problem for the past 70 years has been too much aid.


14 posted on 09/10/2005 9:08:12 PM PDT by Old Professer (Some infinitives deserve to be split.)
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To: tomakaze; Jacksonville Patriot

True. This article - coupled with one seen here on Freep showing how red states are the top charity locations, in process also showing how these holier-than-thou libs are really the meanest-of-the-bunch when it comes to helping out their fellow men - should be posted prominently on every dhimmicrat's forehead.


15 posted on 09/11/2005 7:31:21 AM PDT by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

Kids that grow up in welfare families, which is a lot of them these days, grow up with the idea that their government owes them a living. 'Course that is pretty close to the general leftist philosophy anyway.


16 posted on 09/11/2005 7:41:47 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

"They were better at making judgments about who needs a handout and who needed a kick in the rear. They helped the helpless, but administered tough love to the rest. They taught self-sufficiency."


I know my neighbors, they're people with names and faces, but to agencies they are faceless numbers on a file with federal and state grant money attached.


17 posted on 09/11/2005 7:52:36 AM PDT by kalee
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To: Jacksonville Patriot
I am a product of what you speak.

In the 1930s a charity known as Crippled Childrens Society saved me from a lifetime of disability. They paid for five years of medical care for which I have always been deeply thankful.

That society was disbanded long ago because the government decided that such was their turf.

18 posted on 09/11/2005 8:00:54 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: Jacksonville Patriot

late Sunday afternoon (9-11-05) bump!


19 posted on 09/11/2005 1:33:50 PM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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To: ConservativeStLouisGuy
The value of private charity
John Stossel

August 24, 2005

When "Cheech," a street hustler, would stand outside my apartment building begging, I'd ask him why he was begging.  He'd tell me about his gambling and family problems, and I'd repeatedly tell him, "Someone who speaks as well as you could do much more with his life," and I'd encourage him to consult New York City's Social Services agencies. I could have done more for Cheech personally, but I said to myself, "Better leave it to the specialists -- my city spends billions on social services -- they have specialists to deal with people like Cheech."

Multiply that thought by 296 million Americans, and you see how public assistance displaces private charity. And that's only the beginning of the damage.

Twice we've brought ABC's cameras to Delancey Street, a mutual aid charity in San Francisco. It's a collection of hundreds of former street people and ex-cons (18 felony convictions is the average) who live and work together and help each other out.

Delancey Street has been hugely successful. Thirteen thousand people have been through its programs. The ex-addicts now run a dozen businesses, including a restaurant and a moving company.

But Mimi Silbert, who started Delancey Street, says it almost didn't happen, because government kept getting in the way. "We have had to fight every bureaucracy that exists." Silbert doesn't employ certified teachers and drug counselors, so welfare workers tried to smother her with red tape. "If Jesus Christ walked in today and wanted to start Christianity, he wouldn't be able to do it because they say to him, 'You need two psychiatrists, you need one social worker, somebody has to sign the things . . . '"

Silbert wanted to help some of the worst-off people in America learn to be productive citizens. The government, which typically doesn't do anything more productive with those people than lock them up, release them and lock them up again, nearly stopped her with its complicated rules.

Fortunately, Silbert fought the bureaucrats and won, but many others are beaten down by the bureaucracy.  Government often makes private charity so difficult, individuals stop trying.

I once thought there was too much poverty for private charity to make much of a difference. Now I realize that private charity would do much more -- if government hadn't crowded it out. In the 1920s -- the last decade before the Roosevelt administration launched its campaign to federalize nearly everything -- 30 percent of American men belonged to mutual aid societies, groups of people with similar backgrounds who banded together to help members in trouble. They were especially common among minorities.

Mutual aid societies paid for doctors, built orphanages and cooked for the poor. Neighbors knew best what neighbors needed. They were better at making judgments about who needs a handout and who needed a kick in the rear. They helped the helpless, but administered tough love to the rest. They taught self-sufficiency.

Mutual aid didn't solve every problem, so government stepped in. But government didn't solve every problem either. Instead, it caused more problems by driving private charity out. Today, there are fewer mutual-aid societies, because people say, "We already pay taxes for HUD, HHS. Let the professionals do it." Big Government tells both the poor and those who would help them, "Don't try."

Private charity develops a sense of personal responsibility for recipients, and it does something similar for donors, too. If I hadn't thought the government would take care of Cheech, I would've had to decide whether I thought he was worth my money -- money I could spend on myself and my family, or on promoting freedom, or on any number of charitable causes.

When you rely on the government to help those who need it, you don't practice benevolence yourself. You don't take responsibility for deciding whom to help. Just as public assistance discourages the poor from becoming independent by rewarding them with fixed handouts, it discourages the rest of us from being benevolent. This may be the greatest irony of the welfare state: It not only encourages the poor to stay dependent, it kills individuals' desire to help them.


20 posted on 09/11/2005 1:35:39 PM PDT by ConservativeStLouisGuy (11th FReeper Commandment: Thou Shalt Not Unnecessarily Excerpt)
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