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We Shut Down the Bridge
Washington Times & UPI via NRO ^ | Sep. 9, 2005 | Shaun Waterman

Posted on 09/09/2005 11:06:37 AM PDT by hipaatwo

Think local officials are less to blame for deaths in New Orleans than federal officials? In the most jaw-dropping story of the week, UPI has the police chief of Gretna, Louisiana, admitting that he closed off one of the major arteries out of New Orleans on Monday, before the storm hit:

"We shut down the bridge," Arthur Lawson, chief of the City of Gretna Police Department, confirmed to United Press International, adding that his jurisdiction had been "a closed and secure location" since before the storm hit.

"All our people had evacuated and we locked the city down," he said. The bridge in question -- the Crescent City Connection -- is the major artery heading west out of New Orleans across the Mississippi River.


He added that the small town, which he called "a bedroom community" for the city of New Orleans, would have been overwhelmed by the influx. "There was no food, water or shelter" in Gretna City, Lawson said. "We did not have the wherewithal to deal with these people. If we had opened the bridge, our city would have looked like New Orleans does now: looted, burned and pillaged."


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; govwatch; gretna; hurricanekatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; leftistcrap; neworleans; nimby; selfdefense; suburbanvictims; urbanbarbarians; yellowsnowdog
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To: wideawake
Plus, I know how the media and the victim industry love to exaggerate.

This is the Wash Times. Hardly the typical MSM outlet.

But nice try.

181 posted on 09/09/2005 12:11:40 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: wideawake
Yep..the cops were actually 'protecting and serving' their constituency...from looters,rapists and murderers...

Don't matter what color they are..what matters is what crimes they will commit...

If an offended race doesn't like it...too freaking bad...

Will the race baiters accuse their victims of being prejudice if they struggle during the crime?

You bettcha...

imo
182 posted on 09/09/2005 12:12:02 PM PDT by joesnuffy
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To: Ronzo

***Not all, but a sizable number of New Orleans residents are truly the scum of the USA. If you lived down there, you'd know that...***

Sad to admit, but it's true...

That sherriff did that to protect HIS people. At some point, REALITY has to replace political correctness.

If we haven't seen that in the last 10 days, will we ever??


183 posted on 09/09/2005 12:12:49 PM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: Ronzo
So leave 'em to die.

Man, sometimes you think you know your fellow freepers and then a thread like this happens.

184 posted on 09/09/2005 12:12:59 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Tarpon

We're in St. Pete, and local police do not control the bridges...Florida Highway Patrol are the ones that close a bridge, not the St. Pete, Clearwater, or Tampa police department. They don't have the authority to close a bridge.

Which begs the question, were these bridges state roads, city roads, Interstates, etc.

Local police in our area do control causeway closings to the barrier islands.


185 posted on 09/09/2005 12:13:12 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: Petronski
In addition the cadence of footsteps across a bridge can cause vibrations which the bridge would not be rated for.
186 posted on 09/09/2005 12:14:03 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: joesnuffy
Don't matter what color they are..what matters is what crimes they will commit...

Ah, so now you think people should be prevented from freedom of movement because of something they MIGHT do?

Perhaps you agree with the Democrats, then, that they should take away our guns because we MIGHT someday commit a crime with them.

187 posted on 09/09/2005 12:14:12 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: IronMan04
In addition the cadence of footsteps across a bridge can cause vibrations which the bridge would not be rated for.

Give it up. We're talking allowing groups of people across over the span of days.

188 posted on 09/09/2005 12:15:15 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: hipaatwo

Wait a second. They closed the bridge down on Monday, right? If I understand that correctly, hat actually isn't unreasonable. You can't have people stuck in cars sitting in traffic with a hurricane the strength of Katrina coming through.


189 posted on 09/09/2005 12:15:44 PM PDT by elc
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To: IronMan04

"Your body mass is denser and thus weighs more than a vehicle."




Oh, my. How funny. Let's look at this. Let's take a school bus for example, fully laden. Maybe 50 souls on board. Pretty closely packed, I'd guess. You're trying to tell me that 50 people walking across the bridge somehow weighs more than the same 50 people on the bus. Silliness.

Walking, they'd be no more closely spaced than they were on the bus.

Another example. I drove a 24' box truck across many small bridges when I moved. The entire truck was 30' long and 8' wide. It's weight, measured by several state truck scales, was 17,600 lb. Now, take a 30'x8' line of people. Let's see, if they were toe to toe and shoulder to shoulder, that would be a column 30 people long and 4 wide. 120 people, weighing an average of, say, 160 lb. each. Let's do the math: That would add up to 19,200 lb. Of course, they couldn't walk if they were that close together, so let's make it 15 long and 4 wide. That's 9600 lb.

If the truck or bus can cross the bridge, there's no problem with the folks walking across the bridge. Feh!


190 posted on 09/09/2005 12:16:07 PM PDT by MineralMan
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To: dirtboy

Why is it indefensible? AS I understand it, he turned back only foot traffic, not vehicles.

What should he have done? Had he allowed the "small groups" of people into Gretna, where would they have gone? Into other people's vacant homes, businesses, etc.? This would have worsened the recovery and certainly not "saved lives," since it is doubtful that any of the 30 elderly people who perished at the Superdome would have been any less uncomfortable on the other side of the bridge. Gretna had the same heat, the same lack of power and electricity, etc., and no apparent resources.

If the story is true, and Gretna is unflooded, largely undamaged and habitable, it will be a valuable location during the recovery period, when the appropriate services can be relocated there.


191 posted on 09/09/2005 12:16:12 PM PDT by Boatlawyer
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To: elc
Wait a second. They closed the bridge down on Monday, right?

And left it closed for several days afterwards. To keep anyone stuck in NOLA from crossing into their town.

After the hurricane was gone, there was no reason not to re-open the bridge.

192 posted on 09/09/2005 12:16:52 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dawn53

You guys don't get it.

It doesn't matter who "owns" the bridge, or if he had the "authority" or if the bridge could hold people, trains, planes or elephants.

The chief took control of a checkpoint to protect what he had to protect.

Don't matter who owns the stinking bridge. At that time, at that place, he had a bigger gun.

The bridge was his, and he closed it.

Nuff said.


193 posted on 09/09/2005 12:17:03 PM PDT by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: Boatlawyer
What should he have done? Had he allowed the "small groups" of people into Gretna, where would they have gone?

Maybe to someone's garden hose to get water?

Are we so concerned with property that we don't give a damn about helping DYING PEOPLE?

194 posted on 09/09/2005 12:17:47 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

Good replies dirtboy. It's no wonder Republicans get branded heartless. So the stereotype is now everyone in NO is a criminal? So therefore it's ok to leave them in a disease flooded hell hole? Unbelievable. And Heaven help us if this police chief IS a Republican...


195 posted on 09/09/2005 12:18:01 PM PDT by mosquitobite
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To: Al Gator
At that time, at that place, he had a bigger gun. The bridge was his, and he closed it.

Tell you what. Take a gun and try to close the Ben Franklin Bridge in Philly. Take a few of your closest friends. You'll have the biggest gun.

And see what happens.

196 posted on 09/09/2005 12:18:44 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: IronMan04

There's no cadence if they break step. Do you think a crowd of bedraggled hurricane refugees is going to cross that bridge in step? In a sufficiently large population, footfalls would be continuous, not rhythmic. This isn't rocket science.


197 posted on 09/09/2005 12:18:52 PM PDT by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: dirtboy

Have we verified that yet? I see a lot of comments on here wondering if/when it was reopened.


198 posted on 09/09/2005 12:19:04 PM PDT by elc
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To: rit

I thought there was some rumblings that the commandeered bus story might not have been everything it was cracked up to be:

http://instapundit.com/archives/025399.php


199 posted on 09/09/2005 12:19:46 PM PDT by Interloper
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To: elc
Have we verified that yet? I see a lot of comments on here wondering if/when it was reopened.

I know Shep Smith was hollerin' about them not being allowed across the bridge, and this bridge was the only one close to where he was.

200 posted on 09/09/2005 12:20:24 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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