Why We Fight

House.Gov ^ | 9/8/2005 | Congressman Ron Paul

[sheltonmac]

Saddam defied the UN Resolutions ...

Why would anyone want to lend credence to U.N. resolutions? If having the most powerful nation on the planet enforce U.N. resolutions isn't a form of world government, what is?

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"President Bush said my son died in a noble cause,
and I want to ask him what that noble cause is."
Cindy Sheehan

Cindy : Iraq Freedom is the noble cause.
No longer do I fear the butcher Saddam Hussein murdering my children!



President Bush Remembers Halabja
Saturday, 15 March 2003
President's Radio Address (Remembering Halabja)
"This weekend marks a bitter anniversary for the people of Iraq.
Fifteen years ago, Saddam Hussein's regime ordered a chemical weapons attack on a village in Iraq called Halabja. With that single order, the regime killed thousands of Iraq's Kurdish citizens. Whole families died while trying to flee clouds of nerve and mustard agents descending from the sky. Many who managed to survive still suffer from cancer, blindness, respiratory diseases, miscarriages,
and severe birth defects among their children..."

Anyone who thinks Hanoi Kerry and Hanoi Jane
aren't behind the anti war crowd
needs to get a clue.
Remember the slaughter and torture of the people of Viet Nam by the communists
while Hanoi Kerry and Hanoi Jane cheered their commie buddies!



Lame Stream Media : News Flash!

President Bush already met with Cindy Sheehan in June 2004 for 10 minutes.

From The Reporter, Vacaville, CA archive: Bush, Sheehans share moments.


Quit lying!!!!

[Stultis]

but I am curious about the reaction

Honestly can't give you one beyond the first few paragraphs, therein being far too much distortion of fact and resort to fallacious logic to justify continuing. E.g. Bush did enumerate, repeatedly and from the very beginning, the whole panoply of consilient reasons for war, including the need for regional transformation; there was evidence for contact and cooperation between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeada, and the quantity and quality of that evidence has only improved since the war, etc, etc.

I guess my main reaction is sadness. Even though I happen to be "pro-war" I believe we need principled iconoclasts like Ron Paul. At least I used to believe he was principled. The extreme intellectual dishonesty he resorts to here, however, tends to change my opion. Again it's unfortunate. I want "my side" to be challenged by having to engage the best and strongest counter arguments. Yet Ron Pauls argument (from what I read of it) seems so infested with error and fallacy as to be all to easily refuted or dismissed.

[BykrBayb]

BykrBayb: My son is fighting so that hopefully I won't have to.

Sheltonmac: But I guess the fact that we haven't had a terrorist attack on our soil in four whole years is all the proof some people need that the war in Iraq is working to thwart a global terrorist network.

My son's service has made a difference. He has been part of the solution. Your insults are part of the problem. You belong with the likes of Cindy Sheehan. You won't catch me pi$$ing all over my son's service to this great nation.

And it's not because I'm too stupid to know that it takes more than just my son to save the world, as you suggest in your reply to me. I know that it takes a hell of a lot more than just my son, and all the other sons and daughters in the military, sacrificing for your ungrateful @$$. It takes a hell of a lot more, but we couldn't do it without them.

It is not stupid to support our troops. It is not stupid to see the progress that's been made. It is not stupid to recognize the fact that Afghanistan and Iraq were both a threat to us. It is not stupid to know the truth.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Anyone who thinks Hanoi Kerry isn't behind the anti war crowd needs to get a clue.

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS

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Did you see this...?
(The 'Kerry's Promise Counter')
http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=6628
Polipundit even tells you how to install it on your own page!

[Migraine]

aid and comfort to the enemy is treason. you get a life. talk about whining: nobody whines like a steaming pile of libertine-arian

[sheltonmac]

We would, quite literally, have to be at war with the entirety of Islam ...

The interesting thing is that is exactly what some people here want. They claim to be concerned about their relatives in the military, yet want to see them fighting over a billion Muslims. Go figure.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Anti Military Troll Bait on this thread!

[BykrBayb]

Excuse me? Are you telling me I imagined the whole 9-11-01 thingy? Wasn't that on American soil? Was that okie-dokie with you? Well, I didn't much care for it. I'm not particularly pleased with the individuals who carried it out, or the nations who gave them the resources to do so. You may disagree, but I don't see how. Then again, I don't understand Cindy Sheehan peeing on her son's grave.

[BykrBayb]

Bump to that!

[Chena]

Why would anyone want to lend credence to U.N. resolutions? If having the most powerful nation on the planet enforce U.N. resolutions isn't a form of world government, what is?

That's what Saddam said! LOL He says, "self, why would anyone want to lend credence to UN resolutions". So he ignored them. Unfortunately for him, 90+ nations disagreed with him. He was allowed to remain in power after invading Kuwait only because he agreed to abide by those UN Resolutions.

Saddam defied the UN for 11 years. If I remember correctly, there were 16 UN Resolutions.

Your second question is based on faulty reasoning. You are implying that it was only the United States that finally enforced the UN Resolutions, which is totally incorrect so no, it wasn't a form of "world government". Apparently you have conveniently forgotten about all of the other nations who came together to enforce these resolutions and FINALLY hold Saddam accountable for his actions.

[BykrBayb]

In fact, if this country had engaged in a similar kind of reflective assessment of the Vietnam War we may not have p@ssed away 58,000 American lives in the process.

Are you seriously suggesting that Americans didn't engage in enough anti-American propaganda during the Viet Nam War? Please tell me that's not what you meant.

[Allegra]

Anti Military Troll Bait on this thread!

Ewww, it's one of those threads that makes me wonder if I wandered into DU.

I've tried reasoning with some of these people before, but they watch the news a lot, so they know way more than I do.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!!!!

[Stultis]

So the "work our troops do" is always noble and necessary, no matter what? I'm not trying to chip away at anyone's morale. I simply agree with Rep. Paul.

Yes, you clearly do. You even employ the same logical fallacies. (Complex Question and False Dilemma.)

[sheltonmac]

Apparently you have conveniently forgotten about all of the other nations who came together to enforce these resolutions and FINALLY hold Saddam accountable for his actions.

Okay, so multiple nations came together to enforce U.N. resolutions against a sovereign country. That makes me feel better.

[eyespysomething]

last time i checked i pledge allegiance to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the republipuke party. just because the stars & stripes doesn't have an elephant on it doesn't mean you can't salute it.

I'm all for varying points of view, but you ought to chill, newbie.

[BykrBayb]

So because Iraq was a sovereign nation, Saddam should not have abided by an agreement he signed? Please explain the jump in logic.

[blackie]

Roger that!

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