- And in case you hadn't noticed, Islam declared war on us. Have you forgotten so quickly?
You mean we're at war with over a billion people? You seem pretty optimistic.
Posted on 09/09/2005 9:17:19 AM PDT by xt5rt45
You mean we're at war with over a billion people? You seem pretty optimistic.
"...I am curious about the reaction."
Long-winded and self-serving like I would expect from a politician.
1. He uses a straw-man arguement as to the reasons why we attacked Iraq OR he never actually listened to Bush's sheeches.
2. It is clear the congressman has never actually read the Kay(?) or 911 report where it is established that Saddam had a chemical weapons program in place AND stockpiles of precursor chemicals, but no actual findable weapons. The fact that this is ignored by the press is no excuse for a congressman.
3. The article is long on history but ignores Iraq's established contacts with Muslim terrorist groups (See the reports mentions above and refer to the Khobar tower bombing).
4. The congressman has never read Article 1, section 8 of the constitution and relies on your ignorance of the same to make a point about Congress' war-making powers.
I'm damned proud of my son, whether you like it or not. Go throw your virtual tomatoes at some other parent. I've taken enough of your crap.
I'm a little confused here. Which attack, against which troops?
What the congressman and so many others do not understand is the bigger picture of this war on terror.
FDR committed the United States to defeating all the forces of tyranny, not just those that directly threatened us. FDR understood that defeating your enemies and leaving them broken is a formula for future wars.
So, FDR set out to create democracies where none existed. Some said that the Japanese could never be democratic because they are too primitive, or had no experience in freedom--much the same things said about Muslims.
W is doing the same thing. He knows that the only way to stop new terrorists from being created is to give people something else to live for. The only way to achieve such a society is through freedom and capitalism.
The terrorists came here to decapitate our country and change our way of life. W has set us on a course to change the terrorists' way of life and to change the countries they consider 'safe'.
That is why we are in Iraq.
You can see by this article what the libertarian thinking is. The Constitution Party is even worse. Cindy Shehan must have taken her talking points directly from their platform which reads in part:
"In responding to terrorism, however, the United States must avoid acts of retaliation abroad which destroy innocent human lives, creating enmity toward the United States and its people; and
"In accord with the views of our Founding Fathers, we must disengage this nation from the international entanglements which generate foreign hatred of the United States, and are used as the excuse for terrorist attacks on America and its people.
"The 'war on terrorism" is not a proper excuse for perpetual U.S. occupation of foreign lands, military assaults on countries which have not injured us, or perpetual commitment of taxpayer dollars to finance foreign governments. "Although some people consider then harmless, the third-party FReepers are just as anti-America as the anti-war protesters during the Vietnam era and they should be exposed wherever they pop up.
The verbal attack that you jumped into the middle of. It is not naive to support our troops, especially when we are supporting our own family members. I'm sick of morons suggesting that only an idiot would support their family members in the military.
I think Ron Paul is brilliant. He is right, too, everything he said.
I especially enjoy his comments on democracy and "spreading democracy." I cringe everytime I hear Bush babbling about "spreading democracy." Democracies, unfortunately, are opposed to individual freedom. Evidence abounds.
As for the assertion implied in the posts above that we are fighting in Iraq because somehow that is taking the fight to the terrorists, that is simply absurd. Shame on you that put forth this BS. In the years to come, most of you will come to the realization that terrorism is not some "Dr. Evil" dude presiding over a unified global network of conspirators.
They hate us because we are free? You gotta be kidding me. Why don't they hate other countries that are "free?" If we weren't in the Middle East, we would not have terrorism against the US. Simple as that.
Some of you guys need to lay off the Kool-Aid and get out of the cult. Sooner or later, even a majority of this board will drop their foolish defense of this War on Iraq. Most of you, anyway.
Now, now, you're bringing logic into this.
It is not naive to support our troops, especially when we are supporting our own family members. I'm sick of morons suggesting that only an idiot would support their family members in the military.
I don't disagree with any of this.
i've got a better idea; lets do it to you instead. at least some people put some thought into their posts. but then again, without sheeple like you, i wouldn't have so many hours of laughs a day.
Can you please point out where I suggested "that only an idiot would support their family members in the military"? I merely took issue with your initial post because I believe it's based on a faulty premise.
Sorry. You stepped into the middle of me defending my son's honor. I should not have taken my hostility out on you.
I don't much care if Bush doesn't express my thoughts in his speeches. I think he's doing a fine job. I'd like it if he identified Islam as the enemy, but he has some valid reasons for not doing so. Not every muslim wants us dead, just as not every American wants us to win the war.
omg, is that all you can do is whine? god forbid someone uses independent thought on this site. hell, at least ron paul has the guts to go against the party line. last time i checked i pledge allegiance to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, not the republipuke party. just because the stars & stripes doesn't have an elephant on it doesn't mean you can't salute it. get a life.
But...but...but...I thought the terrorists hated us for who we are, not what we do. If we pull out, then that means the terrorists win...doesn't it?
(So the argument goes.)
That is what you took issue with. I stand by that statement. I am proud of my son. I am proud of his service. Without our honorable military fighting this war, we would most certainly be fighting it ourselves, right here on the streets of America. Except for those of you who choose to surrender.
Just shut up and let the real men and women do your fighting for you.
at least someone on this site uses their head. good for you. and thanx for the link.
I don't think anyone here is criticizing you for defending your son's honor. Questioning our government's motives in this war does not reflect on the efforts and virtue of individual soldiers. In fact, if this country had engaged in a similar kind of reflective assessment of the Vietnam War we may not have p@ssed away 58,000 American lives in the process.
"“Enforce all relevant United Nations Council resolutions regarding Iraq.”"
There were many good reasons for the Iraq war, but the first reason has somehow been lost in the shuffle. Even the author of this article glosses over it, but covers his butt by at least putting it in there somewhere.
Saddam defied the UN Resolutions that allowed him to remain in power after we, and our allies, had to go kick him out of Kuwait. He was FINALLY held accountable for his actions, and he was FINALLY removed from power.
I find it quite frustrating that people seem to forget about that.
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