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Top federal officials left out of loop (Well wha-da-ya know)
The Washington Times ^ | 09-05-05 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 09/04/2005 11:39:17 PM PDT by smoothsailing

State and local officials did not inform top federal officials early on of the deaths and lack of food among hurricane victims in the Superdome or convention center, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blanco; brown; cary; chertoff; dhs; disaster; fema; flood; homelandsecurity; hurricane; hurricanekatrina; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; landrieu; levee; louisiana; militia; nagin; nationalguard; neworleans; superdome
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To: brytlea

They built a Super Dome rather than levies. Now THAT has to be torn down and rebuilt.


581 posted on 09/06/2005 11:52:19 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: spanalot
That is very good dot connecting.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then. But it is a pretty amazing coincidence. I don't think anyone posted a thread on Hillary's announcement on her legislative plan yet so my stumbling over it earlier gave me a headstart. And I only found it by chance when googling on some other news. So the blind hog analogy fits really well here...

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582 posted on 09/06/2005 12:19:27 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: smoothsailing
If they had turned on TV they would have seen that day 2 .

I knew about the deaths and the lack of water and the crime going on in the Dome and the convention center because it was on TV for anyone that had any interest to see.

They are without excuse

583 posted on 09/06/2005 12:44:05 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: RnMomof7
The State of Louisiana emergency center in Baton Rouge.

A tour by Fox News Channel showed several large screen monitors.

Each monitor was tuned to various cable channels including Fox, CNN, PMSNBC, Weather Channel and more.

So I would think that state officials on some level knew of the situation in at least the Dome.

I understand from what I heard was that the state had to request assistance and only asked for money to begin with.

I also understand that the governor is doing a lot of CYA with various PR groups.

I also understand that the governor was doing some payback to Nagin for supporting the Republican candidate in the last election.

What ever happened something didn't get done and it makes me think that it wasn't all on the federal level.
584 posted on 09/06/2005 1:13:04 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: smoothsailing
Mr. Chertoff said neither he nor Federal Emergency Management Agency chief Michael Brown was told of the deteriorating situation in New Orleans until Thursday night.

And of course Mr. Chertoff nor fired horse show coordinator FEMA chief Michael Brown had access to television nor did any of their subordinates or anyone else that worked with them in the federal government....

I think it's high time we get these people some televisions!! Of course they'll have to go through requisition procedures and end up charging the citizens of the respective states five times more than the televisions actually cost on the budget but hey if we bring our federal government employees into the 21st century it will be worth it.

585 posted on 09/06/2005 1:22:06 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: msnimje

I don't get cable, only MSM. We were alarmed about lack of food/water/meds in the Superdome on Wednesday and outraged by Thursday. Tell me where in FEMA to donate my 19 in. TV. I don't think the Bush team planned on the utter failure at the local and state levels. "Fool me once..."


586 posted on 09/06/2005 2:01:53 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: billbears
"I think it's high time we get these people some televisions!!"

I'd give them mine but I threw a brick through it when I saw Nancy Pelosi ranting and raving about FEMA a little while ago.

Can't stand that woman.

587 posted on 09/06/2005 2:46:38 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: dr_who_2

You must be kidding. After watching that collection of corrupt RAT clowns you can't be serious about doubting the feds' word. Nor must you have ANY knowledge about that cesspool called Louisiana politics. It sounds completely consistent with that state's past.


588 posted on 09/06/2005 2:50:07 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Arkie2

Which lyin' member of the Treason Media would YOU believe about anything?


589 posted on 09/06/2005 2:54:28 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: OKIEDOC
What ever happened something didn't get done and it makes me think that it wasn't all on the federal level.

No not ALL Federal, but claiming ignorance on what was happening only shows how disconnected Washington is. And if that is not a concern it should be

590 posted on 09/06/2005 3:14:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: dr_who_2

Wait a minute. You actually trusted someone in government? What gave you a weird notion to do something like that?!? LOL


591 posted on 09/06/2005 3:23:45 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: publana

I'm as confused as you are.

But it may be that local committees (party hacks, featherbedders) get paid salaries to oversee the "maintenance" of the levees, while constructing them or major strengthening projects are done by Army Corps of Engineers contractors.

Money may go to both ends -- maintenance and construction.

Where the money comes from and where it goes is a good question.


592 posted on 09/06/2005 3:24:40 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: smoothsailing
Well I'm not a fan of hers either but I'm no fan of FEMA. Supposedly it takes $500 million/day to run their operations down there. For what?

After this is over (and since they're already down there) disband FEMA completely. Especially considering the last thing I want is an agency run by a political appointee who has no idea what is actually going on and was fired from his last private sector job

593 posted on 09/06/2005 3:26:32 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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Woah Looks like some in the media are finally coming around and not just blaming GWB now. ABC WNN just had a piece on who's to blame and they mainly focused on local government( the Mayor and Governor ) and had the evacuation plans they took from NO's website that wasn't implemented. Though they did say there would be plenty to go around and blame.


594 posted on 09/06/2005 3:54:01 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: brytlea

Reminds me of the famous meltdown of Kent "After" Shocknet, a local Los Angeles anchorman for channel 4 who in 1987 (directly after a quite large earthquake in LA) panicked on air and chirped immediately "This is the Big One, this is the Big One we've all been waiting for folks, God knows the devestation this EQ will wreak! This is it!" or some such nonsense.

Then he and the weatherman jumped under their desks on live TV! All you could see was swinging lights and mike booms!!! Hilarious! (if it wasn't so apocryphal at the time! Thank goodness there were other stations with anchormen who didn't PANIC!)


595 posted on 09/06/2005 4:40:32 PM PDT by Husker8877
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To: dr_who_2

Nor should you ultimately trust the government. That was never how the US governments were designed to operate.

Trust only in your own "rugged independence". That IS the American way!


The failure of New Orleans is the failure of the Great Society experiment.


596 posted on 09/06/2005 6:23:15 PM PDT by Mark Felton ("...before honor is humility")
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To: WHBates
Maybe you should make yourself aware of the NG role in every war we have ever had.

Actually, the National Guard's status is problematical constitutionally, ever since Theodore Roosevelt rewrote the Militia Act in, um, 1907 I think, to give himself and his successors more leeway in using the National Guard overseas (in the Philippines, e.g.).

The Militia is supposed to stay home. The problem was introduced by the forward-defense policy evolved under TR and Admiral Alfred Thayer Mahan, that diverged from the Founders' and Framers' original intent.

The underlying tension is still there and needs to be addressed. The National Guard, as used by both Bushes and Goatboy Slick, has turned into a back-door national levy of doubtful constitutionality.

597 posted on 09/06/2005 6:52:06 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: billbears
"disband FEMA completely"

No way that will happen,nor should it.

Oh,there will be investigations,commissions,you name it.

But when all is said,and all is done,FEMA will still be there.It's the government.

The boxes will be moved around,a few heads will roll,maybe the name will change.

Something catchy with a nifty acronym.Just off the top of my head,how about Department of Useless Mayors.

598 posted on 09/06/2005 7:33:43 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
No way that will happen,nor should it

There is no Constitutional basis for FEMA, nor is there for about 90% of the rest of the federal government. Get rid of it.

The boxes will be moved around,a few heads will roll,maybe the name will change.

And that helps how? It doesn't.

599 posted on 09/06/2005 7:53:46 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
"Get rid of it."

Wouldn't that be nice.

Don't get me wrong,billbears,the federal government is a burden we shoulder,at least those of us who pay for it.

Getting rid of it is not easy,it has no desire to go away.

600 posted on 09/06/2005 8:14:07 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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