The Impending Collapse of Arab Civilization

U.S. Naval Institute Proceedings ^ | September, 2005 | Lieutenant Colonel James G. Lacey, U.S. Army Reserve

[BIGLOOK]

BTTT for tomorrow.

[Casloy]

This article gives food for thought, but it's not persuasive.

I agree. Containment worked primarily because when all is said and done the Soviets were not suicidal. A strong threat could keep them at bay. Suicide murderers are not intimidated by threats of death. We have little to fear from any Arab government, unless that government allows it's country to be used as a base of operations for terrorist operations against the US. You can't build a wall around the US and the only way to make headway against these terrorists is to take the fight to them.

[John O]

Then when theArab house collapses, so too does the slammic

Not necessarily so. The arab house has been collapsed for a huge number of years. When they are weak islam will just bide it's time and wait until it is strong enough to attack again. Picture it as a mind control cult and you'll be pretty close. (But then you already know that I'm sure)

[airborne]

The only place for them to go from here is back to the stone age!

[airborne]

This is a long, but worthwhile, read.

Some very interesting, and, IMHO, accurate conclusions.

[Cicero]

Yes. Plus the bad luck that Islam incubated among the Turks, who suddenly burst on the scene after the Byzantine-Persian wars had ended.

But I do have to wonder why God let this happen. Islam is the only heresy emanating from the Judaeo-Christian tradition that has been successful, in a worldly sense at least. The others have been successful for a time, and have even dominated for brief spaces, but have all shriveled away. Most of them survive (maybe the longest lived are the Samaritans, of whom evidently a few hundred still exist), but as pale and ineffective shadows. Islam has continued to grow for untold centuries.

If you believe in Divine Providence, as I do, you have to wonder, Why did God allow Islam to spread so widely?

[Cronos]

Talking about something less subtle like a nook in Makkah.

[Cronos]

Why did God allow Islam to spread so widely?

I personally believe it's there in Revelations -- about the false prophet with the number 666 (and wondering if John of Patmos misread the number which should have been 786 (a number Holy to Muzzies)).

[Cronos]

Plus the bad luck that Islam incubated among the Turks, who suddenly burst on the scene after the Byzantine-Persian wars had ended.

Well, the Turks came along earlier -- the Turkic peoples supposedly include the Huns (both the Black huns who ravaged Europe and the White huns who invaded India). The Turks also created their state in the current Uighur province of China which was shamanistic but also had Mandean, Nestorian, Zoroastrian andIslamic practices.

[MarkL]

And they want to take the rest of us down with them!

Mark

[John O]

Talking about something less subtle like a nook in Makkah.

You've lost me here. Makkah=mecca?

[Cronos]

You're right -- Makkah is the real prononciation of Mecca and Medina is pronounced Madinah.

[John O]

OK makes sense now

[Ditto]

but barbarian tribes conquered Rome, the Arabs took Byzantium,

Not to be too picky here, but the barbarians who took Rome ended up being completely assimilated by Western civilization and it was the Turks who took over Christian Byzantium as well as taking the entire Arab world from Mecca to Morocco. The Arabs were under the thumb of the Turks for well over 500 years and it has only been in the last century after the Europeans first colonized North Africa and then the Middle East and then liberated them, that the Arabs have been "on their own."

It's seems pretty obvious that Arabs have not been up to the task of self rule to this point. Perhaps an American installed pluralistic government in Baghdad as opposed to the European inspired post colonial strong-man governments will be a turning point for "Arab Civilization." If there is a country with the necessary ingredients for a functional modern civilization to co-exist with traditional Arab culture, Iraq is probably the best bet. If it can't work there, it won't work anywhere.