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Disintegration of New Orleans police slowed response: guard commander
AFP ^ | Sep 3, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2005 12:45:08 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The National Guard was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force after Hurricane Katrina, the guard's commander said.

Lieutenant General Steven Blum said the New Orleans police force was left with only a third of its pre-storm 1,500-person strength.

Some police had families caught up in the disaster, others were unable to make it back to their precincts because of the flooding, and yet others left their posts after deciding the situation had grown too dangerous.

"The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans," Blum told reporters here.

"Once that assessment was made ... then the requirement became obvious," he said. "And that's when we started flowing military police into the theater."

On Friday, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin angrily denounced the slow federal response as too little, too late, charging that promised troops had not arrived in time.

"Now get off your asses and let's do something and fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country," the mayor said in remarks aired on CNN.

Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city.

But he said any suggestion that the National Guard had not performed well or was late was a "low blow."

The initial priority of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard forces was disaster relief, not law enforcement, because they expected the police to handle that, he said.

"We were pulsing forces in in very degraded infrastructure -- airports had reduced capabilities ... in some cases we only had one road in because of lack of bridges, flooding, loss of infrastructure," he said.

"So we couldn't rush to failure on this thing and we had to take a more measured approach on this thing than any of us wanted," he said.

When it became apparent that disorder in New Orleans should be the most immediate priority, the National Guard waited until they had enough forces in hand to make an overwhelming show of force, he said.

On Friday, while President George W. Bush was touring the stricken city, 1,000 military police and National Guard stormed the convention center where street gangs mixed in with thousands of others awaiting rescue had created a volatile situation, Blum said.

"Had we gone in with a lesser force we may have been challenged, innocents may have been caught in a fight between the guard and military police and those who did not want to be processed or apprehended," he said.

Bush, under intense criticism for the slow federal response, on Saturday ordered an additional 7,000 active duty and reserve ground troops to reinforce the National Guard.

That would raise the level of US military forces committed to the relief effort -- active duty as well as national guard and reserves -- to more than 50,000 by the end of next week.

Blum said that on Saturday there were 27,000 national guard troops in Louisiana and Mississippi. That number will grow to about 40,000 within the next week, he said.

There were varying estimates of the number of active duty troops already in the area as part of the relief of operations before Bush's order.

Major General Joseph Inge, deputy commander of the US Northern Command, put the number of active duty forces already on the ground at nearly 5,000 while Blum estimated the active force at 7,000, including sailors aboard navy ships.

The additional troops ordered in from the active force include 2,500 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division, 2,700 from the 1st Cavalry Division and 2,000 from the 1st and 2nd Marine Expeditionary Forces.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: grossincompetence; hurricane; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nagin; nopd
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To: calreaganfan
You haven't been a member for a full year and the posting rules, which you seem to feel shouldn't apply to you, have been in use far longer than your membership!

Please stop trying to high-jack this thread; it really is NOT all about you, you, YOU!

41 posted on 09/04/2005 1:16:03 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Cops in New Orleans were payed $10.00 and hour.


42 posted on 09/04/2005 1:17:05 AM PDT by IronMan04
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

While out running some errands yesterday, I detected a general mood of unease among regular folk. Can't put my finger on it but I haven't felt it before and I don't think it's good. Gas prices and N.O. are probably the main cause. Anyway, I got lots of bullets and popcorn. I'm ready.


43 posted on 09/04/2005 1:17:33 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: uncitizen

OMG...I didn't see that. Was it on last night?


44 posted on 09/04/2005 1:17:49 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Keith in Iowa

"Don't like it? You're free to leave the way you came in."

Aren't we all the good little Stalinists! First censorship, and if you dare to question the powers that be, then you should shut up & leave.


45 posted on 09/04/2005 1:18:09 AM PDT by calreaganfan
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To: calreaganfan
My post wasn't addressed to you so why don't you butt out

Because you're posting on a public forum; as long as you do, we're all free to reply to you.

or are you a moderator wannabe?

And spend my days and nights messing with people like you? NO THANKS.

The last time I posted on FR, there were no such rules.

You "last" posted on this site in March of this year; those were the rules then.

This site is becoming just like the left-wing sites with their ham-fisted censorship.

This is a privately owned forum; you don't have any rights to free speech here.

Enjoy whatever time you have left here.

46 posted on 09/04/2005 1:19:25 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: leadpenny

LOL!

1-800-How's My Posting?


47 posted on 09/04/2005 1:20:01 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: nopardons

"Please stop trying to high-jack this thread; it really is NOT all about you, you, YOU!"

"High-jack (sp) this thread"? I posted this article twice before this thread appeared.


48 posted on 09/04/2005 1:20:05 AM PDT by calreaganfan
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To: calreaganfan

You have no rights to anything here - you are here by the graces of Jim Robinson, and are bound by the rules. It is really simple - stay and play by the rules, or leave. It's up to you.


49 posted on 09/04/2005 1:20:52 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Looters: undocumented consumers || Looting: purchases with indefinite deferred payment plans)
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To: calreaganfan
This site is becoming just like the left-wing sites with their ham-fisted censorship.

LOL. Yeah, using parenthesis is so taxing, it's a wonder we don't revolt.

50 posted on 09/04/2005 1:21:23 AM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: nopardons

It was live just a few minutes ago. Arthel is from New Orleans and has many family there. She was interviewed in Houston with Greta.


51 posted on 09/04/2005 1:21:27 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: calreaganfan
"High-jack (sp) this thread"? I posted this article twice before this thread appeared.

And you were also told why the previous posts were nuked. Now calm down. I'm sure that this is not the hill on which you wish to die.


I'm broadcast live in front of a pre-recorded studio audience.

52 posted on 09/04/2005 1:21:34 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: Howlin

"This is a privately owned forum; you don't have any rights to free speech here."

The above is called stating the obvious. I guess I was a little too understated when I use the term "Stalinists".


53 posted on 09/04/2005 1:21:54 AM PDT by calreaganfan
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To: Anti-Bubba182
"Now get off your asses and let's do something and fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country," the mayor said in remarks aired on CNN.

Nothing like a touch of class to make things go forward faster.

The only "asses" I've noticed so far are Nagin and Blanco. (Well, them and the looters shooting at the relief workers. Duh.)

54 posted on 09/04/2005 1:22:01 AM PDT by Hetty_Fauxvert (Kelo must GO!! ..... http://sonoma-moderate.blogspot.com/)
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To: calreaganfan; Howlin

Told ya, cal. You wouldn't listen.


55 posted on 09/04/2005 1:22:05 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: uncitizen
A friend's, friend who lives in TX has a son who lives and works at a hospital in NO. After the generators ran out of juice, it went PITCH BLACK! And without power, people died and no refrigeration....and no rations. They had to lockup the hospital because a fear of a takeover from looters.

The father of the boy actually attempted to charter a helo at the cost of $10,000 and the charter refused! After supplies were delivered and the generators restored, times are better.
56 posted on 09/04/2005 1:23:02 AM PDT by endthematrix ("an ominous vacancy"...I mean, JOHN ROBERTS now fills this space!)
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To: GeronL
Bush, under intense criticism for the slow federal response

The only people criticizing Bush are the MEDIA and 2006 and 2008 hopeful politicians.

57 posted on 09/04/2005 1:23:14 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: calreaganfan

Hint: Tone it down and knock it off


58 posted on 09/04/2005 1:23:27 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: calreaganfan
NOBODY CARES; YOU POSTED THE THREADS INCORRECTLY AND ARE SPOILING THIS THREAD. THIS IS NOT YOUR THREAD AND THIS IS NOT YOUR WEB SITE.

Yes, I used all caps. I did so, because you obviously don't read normal ones; even those posted by Mods.

Every time I write highjack correctly, the spell check tells me to hyphenates it; go figure. LOL

59 posted on 09/04/2005 1:23:59 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Truthsayer20
What are the penalties for law enforcement officers who abandon their duties during a situation like this?

I doubt there are civil or criminal penalties for individual officers, but the city of NO is a different matter. You can bet the ranch that the trial lawyers are salivating right now.

60 posted on 09/04/2005 1:24:10 AM PDT by Ken H
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