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Disintegration of New Orleans police slowed response: guard commander
AFP ^ | Sep 3, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 09/04/2005 12:45:08 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182

The National Guard was slow to move troops into New Orleans because it did not anticipate the collapse of the city's police force after Hurricane Katrina, the guard's commander said.

Lieutenant General Steven Blum said the New Orleans police force was left with only a third of its pre-storm 1,500-person strength.

Some police had families caught up in the disaster, others were unable to make it back to their precincts because of the flooding, and yet others left their posts after deciding the situation had grown too dangerous.

"The real issue, particularly in New Orleans, is that no one anticipated the disintegration or the erosion of the civilian police force in New Orleans," Blum told reporters here.

"Once that assessment was made ... then the requirement became obvious," he said. "And that's when we started flowing military police into the theater."

On Friday, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin angrily denounced the slow federal response as too little, too late, charging that promised troops had not arrived in time.

"Now get off your asses and let's do something and fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country," the mayor said in remarks aired on CNN.

Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city.

But he said any suggestion that the National Guard had not performed well or was late was a "low blow."

The initial priority of the Louisiana and Mississippi National Guard forces was disaster relief, not law enforcement, because they expected the police to handle that, he said.

"We were pulsing forces in in very degraded infrastructure -- airports had reduced capabilities ... in some cases we only had one road in because of lack of bridges, flooding, loss of infrastructure," he said.

"So we couldn't rush to failure on this thing and we had to take a more measured approach on this thing than any of us wanted," he said.

When it became apparent that disorder in New Orleans should be the most immediate priority, the National Guard waited until they had enough forces in hand to make an overwhelming show of force, he said.

On Friday, while President George W. Bush was touring the stricken city, 1,000 military police and National Guard stormed the convention center where street gangs mixed in with thousands of others awaiting rescue had created a volatile situation, Blum said.

"Had we gone in with a lesser force we may have been challenged, innocents may have been caught in a fight between the guard and military police and those who did not want to be processed or apprehended," he said.

Bush, under intense criticism for the slow federal response, on Saturday ordered an additional 7,000 active duty and reserve ground troops to reinforce the National Guard.

That would raise the level of US military forces committed to the relief effort -- active duty as well as national guard and reserves -- to more than 50,000 by the end of next week.

Blum said that on Saturday there were 27,000 national guard troops in Louisiana and Mississippi. That number will grow to about 40,000 within the next week, he said.

There were varying estimates of the number of active duty troops already in the area as part of the relief of operations before Bush's order.

Major General Joseph Inge, deputy commander of the US Northern Command, put the number of active duty forces already on the ground at nearly 5,000 while Blum estimated the active force at 7,000, including sailors aboard navy ships.

The additional troops ordered in from the active force include 2,500 soldiers from the 82nd Airborne Division, 2,700 from the 1st Cavalry Division and 2,000 from the 1st and 2nd Marine Expeditionary Forces.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: grossincompetence; hurricane; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; nagin; nopd
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To: calreaganfan

When people post stories they do a search (by a few words in the title) to see if it has been posted before.

If people don't use the original title then you end up with huge numbers of duplicates, drastically lower the quality of this site. The moderators are left with more work, and worse, they can't even fix it because they can't search properly either. It would be lame chaos.


21 posted on 09/04/2005 1:02:14 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Sidebar Moderator

"the content did not match the published article and the link matched neither the title nor the content."

What are you talking about?!? Almost all my content was direct quotes from the article. I used a different title because the biased AFP headline did not include the most important fact that 2/3rd of NOLA police officers are missing.


22 posted on 09/04/2005 1:02:54 AM PDT by calreaganfan
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To: calreaganfan

Yes that is what is required. If you have comments put them in ()s beside the actual title.


23 posted on 09/04/2005 1:03:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Anti-Bubba182
On Friday, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin angrily denounced the slow federal response as too little, too late, charging that promised troops had not arrived in time.

Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city.

So Nagin lied. Then he cried.

At the time he made that statement the NG already had 5 times his full strength police force in the city.

While I can understand how some officers could not get to work, and others would take care of their family first, I can't understand why the governor refused to declare an emergency till Saturday, and why Nagin did not ask for state troopers when his guys didn't show up.

24 posted on 09/04/2005 1:03:31 AM PDT by konaice
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To: calreaganfan

We don't care.

Obey the rules.

And, FGS, stop whining.


25 posted on 09/04/2005 1:03:48 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Dear fellow Freepers. We all must be prepared to survive and provide for our families for a minimum of one week without any kind of outside aid or assistance from anyone. For some of us this will be easy, for others it will require a deal of study and preparation. But do it now!

All Americans should make the same preparations but they won't. Freepers are more intelligent, informed and imaginative and therefore more willing to accept a word from the wise.


26 posted on 09/04/2005 1:03:57 AM PDT by NaughtiusMaximus (The liberals promised to move to Canada but they lied . . . bwaaaaah.)
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To: Truthsayer20
What are the penalties for law enforcement officers who abandon their duties during a situation like this?

Dismissal is about all you can do.

27 posted on 09/04/2005 1:04:35 AM PDT by konaice
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To: calreaganfan

You're getting much more attention than you deserve. Pipe down.


28 posted on 09/04/2005 1:06:23 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: nopardons

Where people attain high office through corrupt means, you can't exepect to have good people in office.


29 posted on 09/04/2005 1:06:36 AM PDT by dsc
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To: calreaganfan
So you're telling me that in order to post an important news story on FR, one has to use the same headline as a biased French news service?!? The title of my thread accurately reflected the content of the story which is that two-thirds of New Orleans' police officers have gone missing.

It's not that bad, really. Just don't editorialize, or change the title of the article you're posting. This has been posted numerous times on posting primers by the mods.


I'm broadcast live in front of a pre-recorded studio audience.

30 posted on 09/04/2005 1:07:51 AM PDT by rdb3 (I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. --Philippians 4:13)
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To: dsc
Yes and Louisianan has had at least a century of corrupt Dems running down that state.
31 posted on 09/04/2005 1:08:13 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: Howlin

My post wasn't addressed to you so why don't you butt out, or are you a moderator wannabe?

The last time I posted on FR, there were no such rules. This site is becoming just like the left-wing sites with their ham-fisted censorship.


32 posted on 09/04/2005 1:08:36 AM PDT by calreaganfan
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To: calreaganfan

You either cannot read or you have no common sense or...


33 posted on 09/04/2005 1:09:48 AM PDT by pistola
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To: calreaganfan

Either follow FR's posting rules, or don't post and please refrain from telling a MOD that what you do, is better than following the rules here. Next thing we know, you'll be yelling at Jim and telling him how to run FR, I guess.


34 posted on 09/04/2005 1:11:34 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: calreaganfan; Howlin

If you don't want someone else to reply, make it private. BTW, you're about to get spanked by a pro.


35 posted on 09/04/2005 1:12:01 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: calreaganfan
Here's something you may find helpful: Posting Refresher Course
36 posted on 09/04/2005 1:12:21 AM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: calreaganfan

Hey we're all a little grumpy and stressed lately, but we're all on the same team so how about picking a battle elsewhere.

There are really very good reasons for the rules, maybe you shouldn't throw a tantrum just because you don't understand them yet.


37 posted on 09/04/2005 1:12:33 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: calreaganfan

>>>The last time I posted on FR, there were no such rules. This site is becoming just like the left-wing sites with their ham-fisted censorship.

Those have always been the rules.

Don't like it? You're free to leave the way you came in.


38 posted on 09/04/2005 1:12:50 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Looters: undocumented consumers || Looting: purchases with indefinite deferred payment plans)
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To: calreaganfan
The last time I posted on FR, there were no such rules

The last time?

39 posted on 09/04/2005 1:13:51 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Blum said that since Thursday some 7,000 National Guard and military police had moved into the city.

That Arthel woman that used to appear sometimes on O'Reilly's show said that her cousin told her that one man in the convnetion center took the weapon away from a National Guardman and killed him with it.

She also said that a man raped and then killed a 7 year old girl. After which 5 guys beat the guy to death. Really unbelieveable behavior.
40 posted on 09/04/2005 1:15:26 AM PDT by uncitizen
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