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Replacement Pumps Don't Exist
Los Angeles Times ^ | September 3, 2005 | Peter Pae

Posted on 09/03/2005 6:36:23 PM PDT by A. Pole

Efforts to drain New Orleans hit another snag Friday as the Army Corps of Engineers discovered that it could not buy new pumps to replace those damaged by the flooding.

Massive pumps capable of draining the city like those that have been keeping New Orleans dry for decades are no longer made and would have to be specially ordered, a process that would take too long, said Col. Richard Wagenaar, the senior corps official in New Orleans.

Instead, repair crews will have to dry out the existing pumps, which could take up to a week, before repairing them with replacement motors and parts and begin pumping water back into Lake Pontchartrain. The repair job could prolong efforts to drain the city, about 80% of which is submerged.

"These pumps are so big, you can't buy them off the shelf. You have to make them, and we don't have time for that," said Wagenaar, who spent about an hour Friday escorting President Bush around the levee damage at the 17th Street Canal.

The city, much of which is below sea level, relies on a network of 22 pumps to keep water out. Army engineers now believe eight pumps are underwater.

The latest wrinkle illustrated the enormous complexity of draining the city, which for more than 200 years had gradually built up an elaborate system to keep itself dry.

Even with the setback, Wagenaar said, the city could be drained in three to six months, mainly because engineers may finally be able to get to the largest pump station, at the end of the 17th Street Canal, as early as today.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: cafta; corpsofengineers; free; hurricane; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; market; nafta; neworleans; outsourcing; trade
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To: Smokin' Joe
I would think any manufacturer would want to get in on this, for the advertising potential, if nothing else.

One of my brothers works for a major pump manufacturer.
Yesterday, he was telling me that the initial business impact was cancellation of orders for the "routine" commercial applications they have in the region.
However, they expect that situation to be only temporary.
There will be a much larger influx of orders AFTER their customers have had an opportunity to evaluate the damage and determine the detailed specifications of what they need to rebuild.

301 posted on 09/04/2005 6:46:47 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
"Garbage in, garbage out."

ALL the land area of New Orleans is NOT flooded, so your "200 square mile" number is bogus. Of the land area that IS flooded, we have no idea of the average depth, so your "model" is pretty much useless.

302 posted on 09/04/2005 6:46:55 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

So, where are the 1000 pumps then?


303 posted on 09/04/2005 6:48:16 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: A. Pole
Another buggy whip industry gone!

This doesn't surprise me. Time to deport the outsourcing crowd. Maybe we can con China into taking them....

304 posted on 09/04/2005 7:14:12 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Definition of strict constructionist: someone who DOESN'T hallucinate when reading the Constitution)
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To: dfwgator
Another thing to blame on President Bush....NOT!!!!!

I think they should extract a promise from Bush that it won't rain again until the city is pumped out. - Tom

305 posted on 09/04/2005 7:19:28 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: RaceBannon
"So, where are the 1000 pumps then?"

Check out companies that make them. Lots of them on the web. Add to that current users who might donate temporarily. As I said, in the crisis I saw back in the 1960's, The Corps of Engineers had no problem coming up with 100 pumps of this size virtually overnight.

306 posted on 09/04/2005 7:20:47 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Wonder Warthog

100 is not 1000


307 posted on 09/04/2005 7:25:54 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Also to All using this site. Atomic/Nuclear Power plants have and use 500 HP motors and pumps that would be used to quickly
pump water into the generator area for fast cooling, should the reactor begin to heat excessively.. i suspect the N O pumps are about the same size. There is a solution out there if they just do a search. k2afe Florida


308 posted on 09/04/2005 7:29:35 AM PDT by k2afe (Get the U.S. out of the UN and Get the UN out of the U.S.)
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To: A. Pole

Put out the call in Texas and Oklahoma for mud pumps (used to pump drilling "mud" when drilling deep holes intended to be oil wells). Of course, with the price of oil what it is, most of them are probably back in use. A big 'ol mud pump will suck and push water just fine, for as long as you want it to, and in very large volume. Of course, they take a lot of diesel to run, and a seriously big truck to move, but they'd be a huge help.


309 posted on 09/04/2005 7:37:54 AM PDT by TexasBarak (Help! I'm suffering tagline block! (hey- wonder if there's a federal agency for that...))
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To: the invisib1e hand

Just where do suppose these pumps are, at Wal-Mart?
Pumps of these sizes are not made everyday, and to set up molds to make the housings, vanes and implellars to handle a specific amount of water involves a great deal of engineering.
I do hope you being sarcastic, or just joking. To handle that amount of water to pump out may require between 8 to 10 foot diameter pipes to drain NO. No way a two horse power pump will do the job. Lets argue the point.

Bullfrog


310 posted on 09/04/2005 7:47:03 AM PDT by Bullfrogg (American by Birth, Irish by heritage, hell raiser by choice)
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To: A. Pole

Let me guess, the Chinese bought the company?...


311 posted on 09/04/2005 8:10:20 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: TexasBarak

I'm sure someone can get something from the oil patch. The pumps we used to have on the pipeline used to move crude oil at 2.2million barrels(42 gallons in a barrel) a day divided by three pumps. So all this hand wringing is for not - there are some very workable solutions out there.


312 posted on 09/04/2005 8:15:49 AM PDT by Issaquahking
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To: tophat9000
Screw it just change the name from New Orleans to New Atlantis and be done with it.....House Speaker Hasterd has the right Idea...The city (NO) is underwater now/below sea level (and has been for many years)...Why rebuild it ? ...besides..Any Federal Aid $$$$, will be embezzled by the State and Local 'RATs politicians.
313 posted on 09/04/2005 8:20:27 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: al baby
(shoes/"pumps":) ...LOL! ...unfortunately, not enough of them were bring USED, during the pre/post storm evacuations in N.O.
314 posted on 09/04/2005 8:33:46 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: RaceBannon
"100 is not 1000"

True, but given the time frame over which they produced that 100, it was obvious that they were only drawing on local sources. With the whole USA to draw from, I'm sure they can come up with far more than 1000 very quickly.

In the original crisis (and unlike today), the Corps called for resources from local volunteers--not just from stuff that was "government (Corps) property", and they had the resources in VERY short order.

315 posted on 09/04/2005 8:38:09 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Bullfrogg
Just where do suppose these pumps are, at Wal-Mart?

Well, interestingly enough, New Orleans, LA isn't the only place in the world, or even the US, where there is a requirement for extra large pumps.

But, just imagine how much attention this headline would capture:

Replacing Pumps Not a Problem
Large and costly, but doable, experts say.

That, tadpole, is not how ratings are generated, nor is it how public opinion is whipped into a frenzy, nor how discontent and division among the masses are fomented; yet these are the purposes of the Mass Media, being, as it is, the chief tool of the Left for establishing itself in the only nation that's given it a fight for its life.

316 posted on 09/04/2005 9:24:53 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: A. Pole
Oh, poo. It just gets worse and worse.

I am just grateful that my family members made it out of there early. They can't go home but they are safe and in much better circumstances than those poor people you see on the news.

I am truly grateful.

317 posted on 09/04/2005 9:32:31 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: A. Pole
Maybe they should send in some Mayans. They seem to have figured this kind of stuff out thousands of years ago.


318 posted on 09/04/2005 9:35:54 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: A. Pole

No problem! Hire Monica and a garden hose.

Gee, what's that big sucking sound??


319 posted on 09/04/2005 9:44:45 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: the invisib1e hand

Houston has some of the biggest and best pump and valve manufacturers in the World. If they can pump oil and chemicals, they can pump water. There are probably some sizable water pumps here, as refineries use a lot of water for cooling.

If the replacement pumps aren't as big, use more of them! If the pump is bigger than a flatbed semi can haul, it won't be able to get there anyway.


320 posted on 09/04/2005 11:09:11 AM PDT by anymouse
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