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Murder and Mayhem in New Orlean's Miserable Shelter: Lessons from the Dome
Reuters ^ | September 2, 2005 | Mark Egan

Posted on 09/03/2005 3:44:24 AM PDT by Liberty Ship

Valenti and her husband, two of very few white people in the almost exclusively black refugee camp, said she and other whites were threatened with murder on Thursday.

"They hated us. Four young black men told us the buses were going to come last night and pick up the elderly so they were going to kill us," she said, sobbing. "They were plotting to murder us and then they sent the buses away because we would all be killed if the buses came -- that's what the people in charge told us this morning."

Other survivors recounted horrific cases of sexual assault and murder.

Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, said men had wandered the cavernous convention center in recent nights raping and murdering children.

She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the young girl went missing from her parents inside the convention center.

"She was raped for four hours until she was dead," Joseph said through tears. "Another child, a seven-year old boy was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: bang; katrina; neworleans
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To: IronMan04
should have been called in on Monday to

Why? The Levees broke Tuesday Afternoon. All Monday evening and Tuesday morning the "News Media" was busy doing their "Clean up after the Hurricane" song and dance. Are you NOW demanding that Bush be able to read the future? Sen David Vitter(R LA) ASKED Gov Blanco in front of reporters on Thursday to request Regular Military from Pres Bush. For your information, there are at least 12 active duty military bases in the States between SC and Texas. She has still not asked for that aid. She DID however, send in 300 Armed NG troops to restore order in NO that afternoon. OK do you understand that the city of NO OWN Disaster plan posted on their website evacuees are suppose to bring their OWN food and water for several days? That the City of NO has NOT stockpiled any supplies at their shelters DESPITE knowing it would take at least 48 hours to get relief columns to them? Do you understand that the physical safety of the FEMA teams is the responsibility of the City? Do you understand that if the City feels overwhelmed they ASK the State Govt for aid, including deployment of the NG? Do you realize that the initial relief efforts, directed by Gov Blanco went in UNARMED? That the reason the initial FEMA efforts were halted on Thur was because neither the State or City had done ANYTHING to protect the relief efforts? So either Nagle did not ASK or Blanco did NOT send anyone to maintain order. I suspect they felt like I did. "Why the HELL would anyone shoot at a RESCUE Helicopter" and were stunned to discover that some people are just such animals. I was willing to cut them some slack, to understand that a DISATER is just that a devastating, overwhelming event. But when they go on TV, and the Dinosaur Media keeps hyping, their screaming at the FEDS for "too little-too late" any thinking person has a MORAL, as well as INTELLECTUAL duty to point out the facts. So since the City of NO OWN plan makes the City and State responsible for the 1st 72 hours after the disaster, who is more to blame as TODAY (DAY 4 since the Levees broke) starts? See the initial response MUST be local because the Feds have to gather and MOVE, across the devastation zone, the resource to do perform operations. If anything, it amazing how much has been done so quickly. But that isn't sexy enough for our hyper partisan, hyper critical "News Media" So they hyperventilate about the nonsensical while better men actually FIX the problems.

181 posted on 09/03/2005 6:09:04 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Why will Louisiana Governor Blanco NOT ask Bush for Marines and Army Troops????)
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To: nicmarlo

Allthough its maybe a undemocratic thought, it might be time to considerate taking a small test of knowledge about the society before being allowed to vote. I mean that a its better to have 40% voting than 60% when 40% just dont know what they real are voting for. I think the biggest threat to a democracy is when to many people that are not enlightend cast a vote. This undermines the democracy just as much as a low turnout.


182 posted on 09/03/2005 6:09:26 AM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: Pusterfuss; All

Reported this morning that Houston now has 100,000 people in various shelters and growing. Where is the rest of the country??? They are trying to move the overload as they come in to Houston to other cities in TEXAS.

Reported last night some in the Astrodome are now showering in the toilets. There are too many people in one place.





183 posted on 09/03/2005 6:09:34 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (Thank you JR for pulling this limping team across the finish in 9th place)
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To: ventana; All
I don't believe the Marx "opiate of the masses" is correctly interpreted. Most would have you believe it is used BY THE MASSES to separate themselves from an uncomfortable reality, self-hynosis/delusion. Their toil, misery, etc. will be rewarded in a glorious afterlife. Using religion as a supressing force over a population.

Think about the effect of excommunication or shunning in a society where a individual's total world may consist of his 200 person parish. Even the the King Jame's Bible was written with a pro-monarchist bias.

The Marxist vision was to substitute religion with the government. Relaxation of religious based values, including the concept of free will and acceptance of altruism and duty to the state.

184 posted on 09/03/2005 6:12:15 AM PDT by olde north church
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To: SauronOfMordor

The next election, the people of NYC, put the Dinkster in the dumpster..


185 posted on 09/03/2005 6:13:34 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Liberty Ship

That was a very good post. During the K2 thing I read somewhere to not only stock enough for you and yours but have enough for a neighbor that didn't prepare too. I do that. One thing I have learned from this disaster is that if you evacuate , check on your neighbor, elderly, etc and offer to take someone out with you.


186 posted on 09/03/2005 6:14:56 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Bon mots
"But then again, I have not been repressed by white society."

Interesting, because neither have the lowlife vermin who've turned a natural disaster into a national disgrace.

But it's still a handy, if empty, excuse to fall back on when beguiling the emptyheaded liberal media.

187 posted on 09/03/2005 6:15:11 AM PDT by MarineDad (Whenever mosques and JDAM's meet, civilization benefits.)
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To: sasafras
"90% of all Blacks pretty much hate white America "

Where do you get that crap? If you’re going to promote something that ridiculous and inflammatory, back it up with a poll.

188 posted on 09/03/2005 6:16:08 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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To: freema

JJ vyes with Al "The Graft Zeppelin" Sharpton, to be America's foremost race racketeer..


189 posted on 09/03/2005 6:16:38 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: ventana
Your daughter should be applauded for her evangelism. Our future lies with such as her.

It is unfortunate that the rules are now so stacked against voices of truth in Gov Schools. It takes eloquence, tact, and incredibly thick skin to be a voice for western values in such an environment.

We have taken a different approach, with a view toward starving the beast, and building a solid core of next generation leadership in our churches and church run schools, along with home schools. These kids will be planted in our universities, workplaces and communities equipped with cultural knowledge, apologetics and a deep and abiding faith. They will leverage support organizations including YAF, ISI, Leadership Institute, Intervarsity Fellowship, and other campus ministries for mutual support and to enable a larger impact. Many of them will be FReepers!

The Catholic Church will be ok, despite its problems. Benedict is (and John Paul was) a true Christian. Many of our other churches (Episcopal, Presb. USA, etc.)are terribly lost and have been so heavily infiltrated by the insidious forces of evil (in the guise of moral relativism) that they may never be recovered and certainly cannot be trusted.

Lastly, viewing the scenes from New Orleans, it has dawned on me that while I am in no way a racist, I am very much a Westernist. The behavior we observed was incompatible with Western societal norms. We should no longer allow anyone to babble about multiculturalism without getting in their faces, pointing to New Orleans, and making clear where multiculturalism leads.

PC kills. It's time to get this message out!
190 posted on 09/03/2005 6:18:26 AM PDT by Huber (Pray deeply for the victims of Katrina, and shoot the looters and marauders on sight.)
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To: DB
There were more than enough men to take out whatever roving gangs there were.

The left wing MSM would have spun this cure as worse than the disease. The headline would be "Helpless, hungry, disenfranchised blacks hunted down by vigilante mobs in deep south reenactment of Jim Crow justice."

I'm cautiously hopeful that most Americans will see through the left wing spin on events in New Orleans and understand the truth of what is happening there. The truth is ugly, and it isn't racial. That's a race baiting left wing lie. It is, rather, deeply and undeniably political.

191 posted on 09/03/2005 6:18:43 AM PDT by JCEccles
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To: Bon mots
Well it probably wasn't a hurricane as bad as this one. You really think if this happened in a predomanently white city, there would be nothing but sunshine and happiness afterwards? There are just as many bad white people as bad non-white people, and bad people of any color can make a bad situation worse. Further, I've seen reports on TV of African Americans picking up white Americans and helping them, contrary to your implication that only white people help.

Really, I can't believe some of the comments that go unchallanged on FR since this happened. If I was a liberal, I'd be quietly collecting quotes in order to portray all conservitives as racist pigs later.
192 posted on 09/03/2005 6:21:49 AM PDT by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

"Put not your faith in princes.."


193 posted on 09/03/2005 6:21:57 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: sheik yerbouty
Chris Matthews actually had Sharpton on his TV program to give the "Black" perspective on the NOLA situation. Of course, he cried racism, demanded more money, and blamed Bush.

Incredible. That this clown is considered an important black leader says it all.
194 posted on 09/03/2005 6:22:46 AM PDT by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: dawn53
" Bottom line is: the Super Dome was just a microcosm of life in NO before the hurricane… That Dome, unfortunately, was business as usual for the NO residents "

Bull Crap. What a stupid thing to say.

Yes it was the scum section of NO, but it was scum put under pressure by fear, hunger, thrust, injury, pain, darkness, filth, resentment and death. Of course it descend into anarchy.

195 posted on 09/03/2005 6:23:39 AM PDT by elfman2 (2 tacos short of a combination plate)
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To: ventana
Your daughter should be applauded for her evangelism. Our future lies with such as her.

It is unfortunate that the rules are now so stacked against voices of truth in Gov Schools. It takes eloquence, tact, and incredibly thick skin to be a voice for western values in such an environment.

We have taken a different approach, with a view toward starving the beast, and building a solid core of next generation leadership in our churches and church run schools, along with home schools. These kids will be planted in our universities, workplaces and communities equipped with cultural knowledge, apologetics and a deep and abiding faith. They will leverage support organizations including YAF, ISI, Leadership Institute, Intervarsity Fellowship, and other campus ministries for mutual support and to enable a larger impact. Many of them will be FReepers!

The Catholic Church will be ok, despite its problems. Benedict is (and John Paul was) a true Christian. Many of our other churches (Episcopal, Presb. USA, etc.)are terribly lost and have been so heavily infiltrated by the insidious forces of evil (in the guise of moral relativism) that they may never be recovered and certainly cannot be trusted.

Lastly, viewing the scenes from New Orleans, it has dawned on me that while I am in no way a racist, I am very much a Westernist. The behavior we observed was incompatible with Western societal norms. We should no longer allow anyone to babble about multiculturalism without getting in their faces, pointing to New Orleans, and making clear where multiculturalism leads.

PC kills. It's time to get this message out!
196 posted on 09/03/2005 6:24:39 AM PDT by Huber (Pray deeply for the victims of Katrina, and shoot the looters and marauders on sight.)
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To: Liberty Ship
Jessie Jackson and his ilk should be preaching at his people to stop this stuff. He should be apologizing to the world that they exist.

But instead he blames whitey on CNN.

I am disgusted with the American black culture. Not individuals with black skin, but the culture that many of them live in and tolerate. Even the "good" black people are disgusting, because they tolerate this stuff without complaint.

197 posted on 09/03/2005 6:28:08 AM PDT by narby (There are Bloggers, and then there are Freepers.)
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To: G.Mason

Ditto. I suspect the thugs that were doing the intimidating, raping and murdering defenseless people had guns, and unless you're armed or crazy, most rational men wouldn't immediately attempt to take on an armed scumbag without realizing he'd be murdered on the spot.

I agree with the general theme here, keep your arms ready and don't depend on the government to help in chaotic conditions like this, and I've drawn the conclusion that both the mayor of NO and the governor of LA are mental midgets who don't have a clue and happily blame Bush so as to maintain their sorry A$$ position in what continues to be the most corrupt and bassackwards state in the U.S.

God help the innocent and pray for a relatively quick turnaround on this Mother Nature made catastrophe.


198 posted on 09/03/2005 6:28:24 AM PDT by john drake (roman military maxim: "oderint dum metuant, i.e., let them hate, as long as they fear")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

"NO Police Department"

Only today have I actually hear the words Louisiana State Police. Where have the county/parish mounties and State Police been, I wonder?


199 posted on 09/03/2005 6:29:50 AM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: tomjohn77

That is found in our history books; however, it is deemed unConstitutional; what the solution to the problem you cite is, I do not know. One cannot make others have values...and education without them, merely makes "one a clever devil" (C.S. Lewis).


200 posted on 09/03/2005 6:31:08 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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