Katrina Live Thread, Part XIII

To: Types_with_Fist

Did some research on the Warehouse District. Below is a map showing the location is right near the Superdome.

Situated along the banks of the Mississippi River, between the French Quarter and the Garden District, the Warehouse Arts District is an urban center for the creative talents New Orleans continues to inspire. Aside from dozens of contemporary galleries and some of the city's finest restaurants--including the world-famous Emeril's--the neighborhood also boasts upscale lofts and apartments, the newly opened National D-Day Museum, the Contemporary Arts Center, the Louisiana Children's Museum and the soon-to-be-opened Ogden Museum of Southern Art.

4,721 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:25 AM PDT by Aquamarine

meanwhile...

DU'ers are screaming Mayor Nagin for President!!

ROFL !

complete disconnect.

4,722 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:25 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2

To: NautiNurse; All

Some thoughts 've been struggling to put into words. Until recently I couldn't' type this, because I didn't know if my family were alive or dead or if they had houses to return to in Slidell.

Socialsim vs Darwanism

What we are seeing in New Orleans this week should serve as the capstone to any argument over the crippling effects of socialism extended over generations.

Having studied political science and focused those studies on Communism and Fascism practiced in Europe during the 20th century, I already knew that socialism and communism are not sustainable means of governance. I acknowledge that socialism can actually serve a purpose during dire emergencies when local democratic government would crumble under the weight of the immediate strain of events. In fact we are now currently instituting and advocating a certain form of fascism (militant nationalist socialism) in order to restore order and humanitarian services to New Orleans. Socialist programs like the New Deal and public works programs of the FDR administration helped America claw her way out of the Great Depression.

The problem is that socialism sustains life where it is naturally unsustainable. Socialism is a direct affront to the laws of natural selection and order. Socialism, as we've seen so recently, is an affront to Mother Nature herself.

Socialist work programs to improve the lives of the urban poor and prevent yearly flooding of the city, built the New Orleans levee system. Without the occasionally floods the natural silt levels of the wetlands in and around the city were not replenished. The city naturally starting sinking below sea level even while its population continued to explode.

The government is providing housing in areas below sea level betting that outmoded levees built to withstand a Category 3 hurricane will hold. They are gambling against Mother Nature. They are sustaining live where life should not exist. The government programs are not even fulfilling the basic premise of government- to protect and defend citizens. The levees are outmoded and need upgrades. The upgrades are not completed because it would mean clearing people and businesses from the area.The Dutch have mastered the art of life below sea level. They have the most impressive levee and lock system in the world. To institute such a system in New Orleans would require an estimated 10-20% of the city space currently occupied by low income or government subsidized housing.

The majority of people left in the New Orleans basin, and it is in fact a sink-like basin waiting to be filled, were poor, black and under-educated. They were a product of government housing, government schools, and government welfare programs. They depended on the government to provide buses to evacuate them. The depended on the government that allowed them to live against those levees- below sea level- to come literally bail them out. Those that survived the initial flood are depending on the government to tell them were to go, what to do and how to survive.

Natural selection no longer works in this demographic subsection of the urban population. They have lived for years in places where housing is substandard, jobs are scare and low paying, and health concerns are rampant. Animals and our human ancestors would have moved long ago. Without the government there to feed, clothe and nurture them, these people would have died or moved as well.

And that is where socialism has ultimately failed the poor of New Orleans. Socialism put them in New Orleans. Socialism drove New Orleans under sea level. Socialism broke down and failed to provide evacuation when the people needed socialized government the most. And now socialism has committed the ultimate failure- it has failed to instill basic survival instincts and personal responsibility in entire generations of the populace. Instead of neighbors helping neighbors and leaders stepping forward from the crowd to fight for survival, urban gangs rule the streets while the elderly die.

There was an interview with a woman screaming wanting to know why no one took care of the body of a deceased elderly woman nearby. My response? You are a human being. Stand up and take care of her and take care of yourself. Your elected socialist government has let you down. Welcome to Darwinism.

4,723 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:34 AM PDT by brothers4thID (Do you stand with us, or are you going to just stand in the way?)

To: NautiNurse; Peach; Howlin

Mrs Bush is on! She is SOLID, DIRECT and kind...God Bless her!

4,724 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:37 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)

meanwhile...

DU'ers are screaming Mayor Nagin for President!!

ROFL !

complete disconnect.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1746400&mesg_id=1746418

4,725 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:38 AM PDT by Texas_Conservative2

To: Types_with_Fist

It's ok, a post above the one I'm responding puts the number at three fires. One downtown, one in SW NO across the river in West Jeff, and another on Chartres St.

I very much hope the flooding contains these. One...storm...was enough.

4,726 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:46 AM PDT by jeffers

Scanner Update

Individual rescued 6 elderly people in boat but water receded and now are stuck on boat in St. Benard Parish.

4,727 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:53 AM PDT by BlackRain

To: Diddle E. Squat

Melanie is my favorite character in GWTW!!

4,728 posted on 09/02/2005 11:40:54 AM PDT by cwiz24 (I worked very hard on this tagline.)

You were angry that I posted some of the WWL updates yesterday as well because they were the same as a pulled thread.

Why the animosity? We're all on our last nerve here, please take into consideration this is very trying for many people who are still waiting to hear from FRiends and loved ones.

Several of us are posting the updates as we find them from local news sites... many people have said they rely solely on this thread for updates because they're at work, home with kids, etc...

4,729 posted on 09/02/2005 11:41:04 AM PDT by cgk (We'll have to deal w/ the networks. One way to do that is to drain the swamp they live in - Rumsfeld)

To: Diddle E. Squat

Laura Bush - asking for volunteers to come down to the Gulf Coast.

4,730 posted on 09/02/2005 11:41:49 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)

To: Cboldt; cgk; NautiNurse

Hi Cboldt, The news is good from that WWL log AND I'd take credit, but it is a copy/paste procedure for the most part, and I am back filling for cgk who has posted WWL news and for nautinurse, who has to take out time for meals after 12 threads...
Now, just between us, I am giving you the secret hand shake and the secret LINK:
http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/WWLBLOG.ac3fcea.html

Which means, like, Tag, you're It!
Now you can relieve us for a while;)

4,731 posted on 09/02/2005 11:42:06 AM PDT by bwteim (Begin With The End In Mind)

To: brothers4thID

Good post. I remember Sunday seeing an interview with a woman who went to the Superdome because she believed "her city would take care of her" I wonder how she feels now.

4,732 posted on 09/02/2005 11:42:15 AM PDT by Tensgrrl

To: Texas_Conservative2

DU'ers are screaming Mayor Nagin for President!!

The same ones that are pulling for Al-Qaida, no doubt.

4,733 posted on 09/02/2005 11:42:47 AM PDT by steveegg ($3.00 a gallon is the price you pay for ANWR! Start drilling or stop whining! - HT Falcon4.0)

Did you leave the sarcasm tag off?

They just reopened the airports to military traffic *yesterday*. They needed to get ATCs in to control anything civilian, and NOW, since there are ATCs, they can resume flights to the area.

4,734 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:02 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)

To: Texas_Conservative2

>DU'ers are screaming Mayor Nagin for President!! <

Snicker. They'll quit real quick as soon as the dimwits realize he was a REPUBLICAN until just before he threw his hat into the ring for Mayor.

4,735 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:09 AM PDT by Darnright ( Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before)

You're right ... and people who have the energy to loot dozens of pairs of Nikes but not the energy to evacuate a city the government warned would be wiped out?

4,736 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:16 AM PDT by CasaDeQueso (Be the hammer, not the nail.)

4,737 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:36 AM PDT by jeffers

To: daybreakcoming

" Tah-Dah! Revs' Al and Jesse will stampede back down there to "speak" for them. "

.....while their lacky goons load up their bus with all the New Awlins liquor left behind.

4,738 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:36 AM PDT by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)

To: Knitting A Conundrum

RE: Amtrak for pre-hurricane evacuation.

Amtrak equipment is already stretched thin nationwide. What you are suggesting is that somehow, by Friday morning at the earliest, Amtrak could have freed up usable cars to send to the NO region in less than 24 hours, then move thousands out before the storm hit Sunday. That scenario is just not possible; even the freight railroads had no ability to move all of their cars and cargo out of the area.

Right now, the railroads are in the same boat as every other form of land transportation in NO. The rail lines into and out of the delta are on bridges and causeways; those that may have survived are not usable at any rate until, as a previous poster mentioned, they have been checked for structural safety. We can't even get the most basic supplies to sustain human LIFE into this area yet, let alone repair rail services for evacuation.

The only viable rail alternative for any passenger movement would have been localized rail transit services that stretched out to unaffected areas - ie in NYC, this would be to Croton Harmon/New Haven. In other words, only the North East Corridor and its immediate commuter service providers would be capable of moving people in this fashion (and, I might add, would need to undamaged to be usable). NO,LA has NONE of that. As far as I know, the only local rail transit was the trolley line that begins and ends on Canal St.

This is a horrible situation. Again, any hindsight judgment must rest on shoulders of local and state government who had NO PLAN to deal with this, and any idea that the feds should have had a detailed plan without state/local understanding is shortsighted and ridiculous. What has happened to our fellow Americans stranded in that hell hole right now is criminal in every sense of the word...

4,739 posted on 09/02/2005 11:43:50 AM PDT by Amalie (FREEDOM had NEVER been another word for nothing left to lose...)

It will be interesting to see. But I can bet your bottom dollar that he won't praise them like he praised Haley Barbour; at least I hope he doesn't! Are you watching the first lady? She is great!!!

4,740 posted on 09/02/2005 11:44:35 AM PDT by Laverne

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