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Dumping of US dollar could trigger 'economic September 11'
The Australian ^ | August 29, 2005

Posted on 08/31/2005 12:38:24 AM PDT by Travis McGee

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To: Travis McGee

Thats it... I'm converting all my dollars to beer.


41 posted on 08/31/2005 9:21:41 AM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Thats it... I'm converting all my dollars to beer.

Beer does not last very long. Convert them into vodka - it is a very durable and attractive mean of exchange. During WWII in Europe it could buy you more stuff than gold could. Even hungry people were willing to part with their food. :)

42 posted on 08/31/2005 9:32:55 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: Travis McGee
Return us to a commodity based currency. POssibly even competeing commodities to prevent over specialization on something like gold. Implement a consumption tax at point of sale and dump the rest of the tax code. Dump most of the FedGov and fit it back inside its Constitutional jail. Axe any State regs that don't comply to the Constitution they ratified as the "Supreme Law of the Land".

Do all that... and there would be untold prosperity for generations to come. Keep going the way we are going and those doomsday scenarios become certainties. Half measures are better than nothing, but are only stop gap at best.

43 posted on 08/31/2005 9:37:48 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: CodeToad
Thanks for bringing that up. Now I don't have to. Switching to a service economy is one thing, but it creates no new wealth. It just shuffles around what is already there.

That is not a good thing.

44 posted on 08/31/2005 9:39:32 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: overtaxed_canadian

"By conducting free and open trade with a totalitarian country that pegs its currency to the USD"
not to quibble but i believe China floated its currency recently. Here take a looksie

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4703477.stm


45 posted on 08/31/2005 9:45:37 AM PDT by DM1
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To: Travis McGee

Growth diverges across EU economies (Euro Zone)
The Business Online ^ | August 28, 2005 | Allister Heath


THE performance of the euro zone's 15 economies is continuing to diverge, fuelling fresh fears for the future of the single currency, a top French bank will warn this week.

There are still no signs of the convergence in economic growth long forecast by advocates of the single currency, according to a report by Societe Generale's Paris economists. Instead, the growth differentials among euro-zone members continue to widen, putting intense pressure on the European Central Bank's one-size-fits-all interest rates.

Since 2001, the gap in private consumption between member countries has surged to almost 15% between the best and worst performers, according to Societe Generale. Greece and Spain have had robust private consumption, whereas Germany and the Netherlands have seen consumer spending stagnate during the past four years.

Only five euro-zone members will have run out of spare capacity this year, led by Greece, Finland, Spain, Belgium and Ireland. The others are all underperforming and still have unused resources such as labour and capital.

The five best performing countries are at increasing risk of overheating, the bank said, because interest rates are below the appropriate level for these economies.

Veronique Riches-Flores, economist at Societe Generale, said: "This situation raises obvious concerns over the potential impact of such discrepancies on economic developments. The exceptional spread in output gaps between the different euro-zone partners is not sustainable without creating, at some point, some inevitable distortions."

Growth in the euro zone should be confirmed at 0.3% quarter-on-quarter and 1.2% year-on-year for the second quarter, down from 0.5% and 1.4% in the first, and back to its lowest since end-2003.


46 posted on 08/31/2005 9:54:37 AM PDT by DM1
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To: A. Pole

And Soros believes he is the only person who knows how to correct this "overshoot", right? What is an "overshoot" anyway?


47 posted on 08/31/2005 9:57:20 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: DB

Not just the rest of the world, but the neo-cons. Most of these guys are just playing games with money, they don't create anything or generate any wealth.


48 posted on 08/31/2005 10:00:06 AM PDT by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Travis McGee

Having a hard enough time wrapping my brain around our current catastrophe, Katrina. I just can't get worked up about anymore gloom & doom right now or I'll have to go do something constructive like suicide bomb some terrorists.


49 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:49 AM PDT by demkicker ((Life has many choices. Eternity has only two. Which one have you chosen?))
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To: A. Pole

ping


50 posted on 08/31/2005 10:18:58 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: Clock King
And Soros believes he is the only person who knows how to correct this "overshoot", right?

Probably not the "only" person. Anyway I would NOT put this fox in charge of the hen house.

What is an "overshoot" anyway?

His private technical term. He has developed methods of exploiting "overshoots" for his personal gain.

51 posted on 08/31/2005 10:20:11 AM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: Travis McGee
Drinking water COULD kill you too....
52 posted on 08/31/2005 10:21:13 AM PDT by Osage Orange (PC is BS)
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To: Travis McGee

bump for later


53 posted on 08/31/2005 11:09:17 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Pro-Bush

Reads like one of those "buy gold" commercials.

Buy FAX


54 posted on 08/31/2005 11:12:47 AM PDT by FightThePower!
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To: DB
Our power rests in our ability to create things...

This is being eroded by outsourcing engineering, isn't it?

55 posted on 08/31/2005 11:16:41 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Dead Corpse
It just shuffles around what is already there... I would ask you this question, "A dentist, a doctor, an airline mechanic, a pilot all are people that have a job in the service industry. Are they shuffling around the money?" Do they not create wealth? What about a merchant that owns a store? Does he create anything? How about Amazon.com or eBay does the fact that they make available items for sale to the highest bidder create any value for the people selling a pocket watch or old records?

The arguments against the service economy are full of holes. One of my clients is in the recycle industry, he provides a service and 22 jobs, is that bad? Have you seen all the playgrounds that have recycled rubber as the base of the ground? What is so bad about those jobs?

56 posted on 08/31/2005 1:42:37 PM PDT by q_an_a
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You are confusing services that have value for trade and commodities that hold value in and of themselves. What good does it do you if you can fix a car engine, but no one has anything of value to trade you for your services?

Full of holes? Depends on how much of a fan of zero sum economics you are and how much socialism/fascism you approve of.

57 posted on 08/31/2005 3:29:12 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Anyone who needs to be persuaded to be free, doesn't deserve to be. -El Neil)
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To: Travis McGee

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.

Red6


58 posted on 08/31/2005 3:34:51 PM PDT by Red6
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To: Travis McGee

First of all, keep in mind that imports and exports comprise a mere 15% of the U.S. economy. That's the tail. The rest of the beast is our 85% internal domestic economy.

Now, understanding that imports and exports are taht tiny 15% of our GDP, keep in mind that the "value" of the Dollar inside the U.S. is constant (save for minor variances in inflation or deflation). For instance, you don't get your weekly paycheck and ask "How much would this paycheck buy in Hong Kong today."

Granted, the value of the Dollar matters to our importers and exporters. The "value" of the Dollar determines how much we can buy and sell abroad.

A lower Dollar benefits our exporters; American exports become cheaper to our foreign customers. A higher Dollar benefits American importers (e.g. Wal-Mart).

Typically, about 9.5% of our GDP is spent on imports, whereas we get about 5.5% of our GDP from our exports...but a rising or falling Dollar will eventually change those import/export ratios.

A higher Dollar raises the amount we import over time (these changes in currency values take a long time to filter down to actual changes in purchasing).

In contrast, a lower Dollar raises the amount that we export.

Because the U.S. economy is so large (by far the largest, most vibrant economy in all of world history), these changes make only minor impacts in the U.S.

...but they make ENORMOUS differences to small export nations (e.g. Taiwan, Thailand, Phillipines). Heck, trade with the U.S. is more than 10% of China's entire GDP!

So if India, China, Europe, Japan, and other nations all dumped Dollars, American exports would soar, American imports would plummet, and foreign export nations would all suffer economic crashes.

Throw me into that briar patch.


59 posted on 08/31/2005 3:57:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack

Time will tell!


60 posted on 08/31/2005 4:38:05 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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