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Most scientific papers are probably wrong
New Scientist ^ | 8/30/05 | Kurt Kleiner

Posted on 08/30/2005 10:29:44 AM PDT by LibWhacker

Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis. Assuming that the new paper is itself correct, problems with experimental and statistical methods mean that there is less than a 50% chance that the results of any randomly chosen scientific paper are true.

John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at the University of Ioannina School of Medicine in Greece, says that small sample sizes, poor study design, researcher bias, and selective reporting and other problems combine to make most research findings false. But even large, well-designed studies are not always right, meaning that scientists and the public have to be wary of reported findings.

"We should accept that most research findings will be refuted. Some will be replicated and validated. The replication process is more important than the first discovery," Ioannidis says.

In the paper, Ioannidis does not show that any particular findings are false. Instead, he shows statistically how the many obstacles to getting research findings right combine to make most published research wrong.

Massaged conclusions

Traditionally a study is said to be "statistically significant" if the odds are only 1 in 20 that the result could be pure chance. But in a complicated field where there are many potential hypotheses to sift through - such as whether a particular gene influences a particular disease - it is easy to reach false conclusions using this standard. If you test 20 false hypotheses, one of them is likely to show up as true, on average.

Odds get even worse for studies that are too small, studies that find small effects (for example, a drug that works for only 10% of patients), or studies where the protocol and endpoints are poorly defined, allowing researchers to massage their conclusions after the fact.

Surprisingly, Ioannidis says another predictor of false findings is if a field is "hot", with many teams feeling pressure to beat the others to statistically significant findings.

But Solomon Snyder, senior editor at the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, and a neuroscientist at Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore, US, says most working scientists understand the limitations of published research.

"When I read the literature, I'm not reading it to find proof like a textbook. I'm reading to get ideas. So even if something is wrong with the paper, if they have the kernel of a novel idea, that's something to think about," he says.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bias; conclusions; creationping; data; massaged; papers; scientific; statistics; wodlist; wrong
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To: LibWhacker

If the intent of the article was to "test the audience" or "entertain the audience" I think you've achieved both objectives.


41 posted on 08/30/2005 11:00:27 AM PDT by kipita (Rebel – the proletariat response to Aristocracy and Exploitation.)
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To: Tax-chick
Why? Do all scientific articles have something to do with evolution? Surely not everything in physics, chemistry, etc.?

Sigh. All in that field of study. But now that you mention it, many papers in those other fields would also have to be systematically wrong.

42 posted on 08/30/2005 11:01:29 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Dark Skies
When a person, scientist or not, sets out to prove or disprove a theory, they saddle up with the bias of their intent.

Searching for the truth is a completely different thing.

Couldn't have said it better.

To find the truth requires being truthful to ones self

43 posted on 08/30/2005 11:01:34 AM PDT by A message (Only unity will defeat terrorism - do you hear me Democrats? Do you hear me?)
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To: ARCADIA
I don't take any scientific paper or conclusions on face value. Usually the first are rushed to publication, often for the wrong reasons. But once the paper is out it's hard to go against the conclusions in today's world. Science has lost it's way and turned into a political quest for funding.

Skepticism is the best approach.
44 posted on 08/30/2005 11:02:09 AM PDT by Tarpon
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To: LibWhacker
But Solomon Snyder, senior editor at the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, and a neuroscientist at Johns Hopkins Medical School in Baltimore, US, says most working scientists understand the limitations of published research. "When I read the literature, I'm not reading it to find proof like a textbook. I'm reading to get ideas. So even if something is wrong with the paper, if they have the kernel of a novel idea, that's something to think about," he says.

Wow. Just wow. A parallel of "It's the seriousness of the charge that matters!". Liberal leftist socialists are just plain unbelievable. And scary.

45 posted on 08/30/2005 11:04:18 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: LibWhacker

80% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


46 posted on 08/30/2005 11:04:30 AM PDT by SolidRedState (E Pluribus Funk --- (Latin taglines are sooooo cool! Don't ya think?))
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To: inquest
"Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis. Assuming that the new paper is itself correct"

You gotta love it.

47 posted on 08/30/2005 11:04:33 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: The SISU kid
dang...does that make you right or wrong???

It makes me right with a .05 probability or being wrong (based on a sample size of 1).

48 posted on 08/30/2005 11:05:28 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Physicist
...particularly when it comes to medical studies...

Oh, doc, you're a man after my own heart, lol! I worked in that field as a statistician helping researchers get published in a "publish or perish" environment. My job? Very often it was just to refute a peer reviewer's criticisms, so that the article could get published. Much to my dismay, my counter-arguments were always accepted and all the articles went on to publication.

That's one reason I'd much rather work with physicists than medical researchers. Not that medical researchers aren't smart, they are very smart, of course. But as a rule, they just don't seem to be as interested in every aspect of their research as you guys are. So the stats get the short shrift from the medicos.

49 posted on 08/30/2005 11:06:08 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: BillM
This is statistics, not science! Science deals with absolute experimentally reproducible phenomena. If you drop something, it will accelerate downwards at the same rate everytime.

B-mesons will only decay to D+3pi about 1% of the time, and yet somehow, we call it science.

50 posted on 08/30/2005 11:06:33 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: Physicist
"For creationism to hold sway, however, they'd essentially all have to be wrong."

They are.

51 posted on 08/30/2005 11:06:51 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: LibWhacker
Another argument against evolution. Only statistics are used to say we came form scum. All tests to bring life from scum have failed.
52 posted on 08/30/2005 11:10:21 AM PDT by mountainlyons
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To: LibWhacker
This is an interesting idea but a terribly uninformative article. What is the methodology?

In biotech, the process is: test a drug on an animal. Check every metric you can think of, using 95% confidence and not correcting for the fact that you're looking at multiple endpoints. (If you still can't get significance, report a "strong trend.")

Publish the results with your buddy at the journal. Start biotech company to further investigate these astonishing early results. Get to Phase III testing, where you have to specify an endpoint in advance. Fail miserably (but by now all corporate officers are rich from selling stock).

Refinance like crazy, and test another drug, or the same failed drug for a new indication. Repeat for 30 years.

53 posted on 08/30/2005 11:11:33 AM PDT by monkey
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To: Nathan Zachary
I also get a kick out of the next paragraph:

"John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at the University of Ioannina School of Medicine in Greece..."

So, given that Ioannis is the Greek version of the name John, he's... John John of the John School.

Alright, I'll stop clowning around now.

54 posted on 08/30/2005 11:12:20 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Nathan Zachary
And you know that how?
55 posted on 08/30/2005 11:14:10 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: LibWhacker

Rush Limbaugh discussed this today.


56 posted on 08/30/2005 11:14:19 AM PDT by pookie18 (Clinton Happens...as does Dr. Demento Dean, Bela Pelosi & Benedick Durbin!!)
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To: LibWhacker
Most published scientific research papers are wrong, according to a new analysis.

Except for his paper, of course.

Now how about studying popular news reports on scientific research? They may be approaching 100% wrong.

57 posted on 08/30/2005 11:16:20 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: inquest
Weird. In the football game last night, one of the players had to leave with a neck injury. So they took him from Ford Field in Detroit to Henry Ford hospital. And the ambulance? It was a Ford.
58 posted on 08/30/2005 11:16:58 AM PDT by Physicist
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To: inquest

LoL!!


59 posted on 08/30/2005 11:17:23 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Physicist

God told me.


60 posted on 08/30/2005 11:17:51 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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