Posted on 08/29/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee
What are these Bush Republicans afraid of? Dirty looks from the help at the country club?--PJB
The H2A and H2B have been around for quite a while and in the early years they worked well. These visa programs were broken incrementally thru time by the democrats as a way to benefit the unions. The democrats also would not allow these programs to evolve to meet our changing needs on guest workers.
So what you ended up with is the H2B that allows in only 66,000 workers that are snapped up in one day. The regulations on the H2A are 300 pages long and the large factory farms with staff lawyers can't navigate them, much less a small peach farmer in Georgia. The language protecting domestic workers is punative. Forget what the quota is, it is never reached.
Now look at tech worker and nurse visas which are more recently written at a time when the republicans had more influence over them. They are simple and user friedly. The regulations are short, one page.
When new guest worker plans are written, or the H2A is reformed, it would be important to do it with the newer H1b visa as a model.
Tancredo is not out to reform anything or make it simple. He only wants to snarl it up more, just like the democrats.
As for Tancredos method of using enforcement to down-size the illegals, it is un-enforcable. That is why he speaks of it in generalities and won't put the details down in writing.
As opposed to Tancredo's plan which is guaranteed suicide.
BTTT
Generally, most of rightfielders at FR are either poorly informed on the issue or have an agenda to mis-inform.
Thanks for the ping. Very informative thread.
How? You just got through insisting that it wouldn't deport any illegals, so that wouldn't destroy the economy. As for new arrivals, they would come in legally. If the conditions imposed for granting guest-worker status are too strict, it won't make anything worse, because the illegals would then continue to come in as they do now. Besides, those conditions can be loosened later on if needed, just as long as illegals don't qualify.
political suicide for the Republican Party
How? By carrying out the will of 75%-80% of the voting public? Yeah, that's always been the death knell for politicians.
Even if he did, that would not translate into Congrssional support for Tancredo.
Of course it would, which is the exact reason why he's not doing it, or even not arguing against it. He knows that even having it part of the public debate at all is dangerous, from his perspective, because that's the one the public would instantly flock to.
Again, you could not be more wrong. Participants of the immigration threads are generally quite well informed. If not, are so in short order.
"............... or have an agenda to mis-inform "
Yes, some do.
Absolutely right.
And you know that.....how?
By the way, Tancredo's house immigration reform caucus has 81 members, 77 republicans and 4 democrats.
The democrats probably won't vote for it, saying it's to tough, which is a joke. But it really is the only bill that has a chance. McCain-Kennedy is to liberal for the house of representatives and Tancredo's bill is to conservative for the senate. If any of the current three are going to pass, it's going to be the Kyl-Cornyn amnesty.
The fact is that most pro-illegal posters on FR would be just fine with McKennedy passing as written. How... conservative?
This thread contradicts you. The change from deportation to attrition as a means of removing illegals from the country is a major, major shift in policy for the anti-illegals. This thread points out that most here have no knowledge of this shift, or even what attrition is.
In the early days of the internet it was said that the internet would enable everyone to be well informed on issues and I can confirm that it does.
However, a phenomenon developed where-by not all took advantage of what the internet offers. Some began to seek info/websites that told them only what they want to hear. FR is such a place.
By turning to "attrition" as a means of removing illegals, Krekorian and Tancredo are saying immigration laws are un-enforcable.
What I am saying is that creating a guest worker program, piled on top of an indefinate method(attrition) of dealing with the existing illegals), is doubly un-enforcable.
Can somebody tell me why we have illegal aliens taking jobs that people feeding out of the gubmint trough should be doing?
Whatever. That train-wreck made no sense whatsoever. It's wrong on this topic and as usual it's wrong on Tancredo.
Unless you can focus on the thread topic and interject facts, do not bother me with your nonsense.
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