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President Bush vows to fight border problems (close it ASAP please)
Newsmax.com ^ | 8-29-05

Posted on 08/29/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by FeeinTennessee

President Bush Vows to Help With Border Problems NewsMax.com Wires Monday, Aug. 29, 2005

EL MIRAGE, Ariz. -- President Bush said Monday he will work with Gov. Janet Napolitano and other border governors to secure the U.S.-Mexico border, where political leaders have been calling for help to deal with waves of illegal immigrants.

Bush told a crowd in this retirement community that he understands the federal government's obligation to enforce the border.

"It's important for the people of this state to understand, your voices are being heard in Washington, D.C.," he said.

Making reference to Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican who introduced Bush here, the president said, "This senator and this Congress are going to work closely with the administration to make sure we have the resources necessary to do our responsibility, which is to enforce this border. And we'll do so."

Bush made the trip west from his Texas ranch to lend a hand to the administration's effort to sell older Americans on the value of a prescription drug benefit that begins next year for Medicare patients.

Trying to combat confusion about and criticism of the new government drug plan, Bush was making appearances in both Arizona and California Monday to talk it up.

After spending the night in San Diego, he speaks on Tuesday at the Naval Air Station North Island there to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the end of World War II. His remarks focus on fighting terrorists and the ongoing campaign in Iraq. They recall the Aug. 14, 1945, Japanese surrender that came just days after the United States incinerated the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs.

There has been indications that efforts to build support for the Medicare drug benefit - including a few other appearances around the country by Bush - are paying off. Congress allocated about $300 million to an awareness campaign.

A recent survey from the Kaiser Family Foundation found for the first time that people were as likely to have a favorable view of the plan as to have an unfavorable view. Still, the survey found that more people do not plan to enroll than do.

The prescription drug benefit kicks in Jan. 1. About 43 million beneficiaries will be able to choose from two or more private plans that offer drug coverage.

Enrollees will pay a monthly premium averaging about $32, but the amount will vary among regions, and millions of poor people will pay nothing. Beneficiaries will also have a $250 deductible, meaning they will have to pay that amount for their prescriptions before the drug plan covers expenses. Again, millions of poor beneficiaries will not have any deductible.

After spending more than four weeks operating from his Texas ranch, Bush returns to Washington on Friday. © 2005 The Associated Press


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; anotheramnesty; boygeorge; foolmeonce; immigrantlist; smokeandmirrors; surethinggeorge
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"Delay showed some support for it"

Yes, he said that he supported law enforcement, but what else did he say?

He said that the Bush plan was being mis-represented. No doubt he was referring to Tancredo. He also said that turning the screws on employers had been tried and didn't work.

141 posted on 08/29/2005 6:58:20 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Meaningful reform to you Dane is selling out the country like the good democrat you are. Better hurry, you don't want to miss any of those Ted Kennedy and Howard Dean speeches

BS and you know it. Kyl/Cornyn is a good bill, but IMO you and tancredo would like to see nothing accomplished, just to keep the issue(and PAC money) alive.

142 posted on 08/29/2005 7:00:59 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Ben Ficklin

Delay gave support to the provision that ended anchor babies as well as an end to sanctuary policies Tancredo's been pushing. He also agreed with Tancredo that illegals in the country have to go home first to apply and they couldn't bring their entire families with them.


143 posted on 08/29/2005 7:04:02 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane

The Kyl/Cornyn bill is another attempt at bait and switch that thankfully has little chance of passing. We need true reform, not legislation that promises enforcement that we all know we'll never see.


144 posted on 08/29/2005 7:10:17 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Don't you think it strange that Delay arrived so lately on this issue?

There are many who will tell you that he is only posturing because of his travel difficulties.

There are also those who say that he is working on behalf of Bush to take the issues away from Tancredo.

145 posted on 08/29/2005 7:13:45 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The Kyl/Cornyn bill is another attempt at bait and switch that thankfully has little chance of passing.

More BS, but what the hey, tancrdoites think of nothing of smearing good conservatives anyway they can.

Another example is tancredo doing a RINO chris shays and backstabbing Tom Delay, earlier this year.

146 posted on 08/29/2005 7:17:23 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Actually, I support Bush-Kyl-Cornyn. But I'm realistic enough to know that it will never have enough votes. The dems won't vote for it. Bush could kiss Tancredo's butt on the Lou Dobbs show and the Immigration Caucus would still not vote for it.

Actually, if the President were to make a strong push for Tancredo's bill publicly, it would pass, because the public response to it would be positive. What's in there that the public would be opposed to? It's only the politicians that don't like it. Why you and a few others continue to cover for them is beyond me.

147 posted on 08/29/2005 7:17:24 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Ben Ficklin
Whatever his motivations he's saying the right things. They will need the votes of the Immigration Caucus to get meaningful reform through so maybe that's what it's about.

Something has to be done sooner or later, they can't ignore the problem forever. Hopefully they'll start with enforcement legislation first as Delay promised.

148 posted on 08/29/2005 7:18:30 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Dane
tancrdoites think of nothing of smearing good conservatives anyway they can.

Textbook case of projection.

By the way, it's not smearing when it's the truth.

149 posted on 08/29/2005 7:20:08 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest
First off, the prez is not going to support Tancredo's position because that is economic suicide for the country and political suicide for the Republican Party.

Even if he did, that would not translate into Congrssional support for Tancredo.

150 posted on 08/29/2005 7:25:20 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: One Proud Dad
Building a fence would require 3 tiers of fencing in urban areas and no fence in the desert. Crap. Build the fence, concrete not chain-link, under a works program like the TVA.

I would suggest that deer stands be erected at every mile marker along the border and that volunteers man those deer stands to shoot anything that walks. Coyotes will take care of the carcasses!

Need a volunteer??????

End of subject, end of discussion........

151 posted on 08/29/2005 7:25:54 PM PDT by eeriegeno
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To: One Proud Dad

Build the fence, concrete not chain-link, under a works program like the TVA.
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Capture the Illegals, and put them to work. Give them a living wage. Meaning if they don't work, they don't eat, they don't live. Have the Illegals build our border fence.

If Vincente Fox doesn't like it, we can tell him:
"Its work even Americanos that are negro won't do.


152 posted on 08/29/2005 7:26:10 PM PDT by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Dane
More BS, but what the hey, tancrdoites think of nothing of smearing good conservatives anyway they can

The only smearing going on is you of Tancredo, despite his solid conservative voting record. I don't understand why, he always spoke well of you.

153 posted on 08/29/2005 7:26:47 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
"Something has to be done sooner or later."

You don't have enough votes to pass anything on a straight vote and you never will.

Try it on an amendment and the Senate will ram it back down your throat. They gave Sensenbrenner and the House a walk on Real ID and they won't be so polite next time.

154 posted on 08/29/2005 7:34:50 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: One Proud Dad
Build the fence, concrete not chain-link, under a works program like the TVA.

Put detained illegals on a chain-gang like we used to have and have them build the damn thing. As is, illegals that have been detained are simply taken to court and given a date when they have to show up for their hearing. Most don't subsequently show up of course. Instead of just letting them go, we can make them work on building the wall in the meantime.


155 posted on 08/29/2005 7:45:25 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: onemoretimeuntothebreech
The West Bank Wall.
156 posted on 08/29/2005 7:46:42 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FeeinTennessee

So...is amnesty a plan?


What if you call it something else?


157 posted on 08/29/2005 7:50:57 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Warning: Exposure to the SON may PREVENT burning.)
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To: One Proud Dad

"...no fence in the desert..."


Fine. Mine field.


158 posted on 08/29/2005 7:51:41 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Warning: Exposure to the SON may PREVENT burning.)
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To: Ben Ficklin

If the Senate refuses to look at anything that clamps down on illegal immigration then we'll never see anything passed. The status quo is unacceptible and it jeopardizes the GOP majority so not considering congressional amendments may be a risky gamble on their part.


159 posted on 08/29/2005 7:51:48 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Ben Ficklin
"Even as a guest worker program it is seriously lacking."

What specifically?

" It is widely accepted that the tech worker and nurses guest worker programs work very well, but Tanc wants to change them. Dumb. "

Widely accepted amongst who? Tancredo's program streamlines the current mess. "Eliminates current H-1B (high-tech), H-1B1 (Chile/Singapore high-tech), H-1C (nurses), H-2A (agricultural), and H-2B (seasonal or temporary) nonimmigrant visas and replaces them with a single H nonimmigrant visa for all needed workers, skilled and unskilled.

And the best part. "...allows H nonimmigrant visas to be issued only when— No qualified and lawfully present workers are available to perform the work, and no such workers could be trained in under a year to perform the work."

Tancredo needs to step up to the plate and say what he intends to do about 20 million illegals.

Why do you continue to say this? He has been very vocal about what he intends to do;
Tom Tancredo:" If we in fact were to begin enforcing the law against people who are hiring people who are here illegally, we would go a long way towards eliminating the problem. Because if you dry up demand, you naturally dry up supply. If we had true enforcement of our laws from an employers stand point, then you would find that many of the millions of people who are here would go back home. Then the ones who remain, we could begin deporting -- and yes I mean deporting. The word nobody wants to use, but you see if you are here illegally, that's the punishment, deportation.

But you can only do all of this if you secure your own borders. Because what's the use of rounding up and deporting millions of people if you in the meantime leave your borders wide open so they simply turn around and walk back in? You must do two things simultaneously. You must secure your borders and begin enforcement of immigration law -- or the third option is to repeal the laws. Don't be so hypocritical as to pretend that we have immigration policy. Don't be so cynical, so despicable, that we send people to the border and tell them that their job is stop people from coming in here illegally and then simply ignore the fact that they're being swamped. What you've done is told people to go to the border, given them a sieve, and told them to stop the flood. Those are our only options, we have no other decisions to make. I want the President of the United States of America to tell the people what he wants to do. Does he want to enforce the law and protect or borders or not?"

160 posted on 08/29/2005 7:58:02 PM PDT by moehoward
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