Posted on 08/28/2005 2:14:36 PM PDT by AZLiberty
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Is "intelligent design" a legitimate school of scientific thought? Is there something to it, or have these people been taken in by one of the most ingenious hoaxes in the history of science? Wouldn't such a hoax be impossible? No. Here's how it has been done.
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You posted;
This prize is a fraud.
The rules state: "After nonacademic in-house review, origin-of-life specialists drawn from many universities and institutes in over forty countries will review the papers on a tiered basis."
Lets read a little closer;
"In-house staff will first review all submissions to screen for required documents and compliance with applicable rules and conditions. After nonacademic in-house review, origin-of-life specialists drawn from many universities and institutes in over forty countries will review the papers on a tiered basis."
That's a little different than your cut (out of context) and paste isn't it? Maybe evolutionists are not so deceptive after all, huh?
Truthfully, I am not sure what to make of this prize. My first impulse was to flip it off. Your persistence has lead me to looking into it a bit deeper.
It appears that the prize may be a genuine attempt to gain real knowledge about the origins of life.
I Googled the topic. It seems that almost all sites that refer to this prize are Creationism/ID sites. They seem to have taken the position that because the question is being asked, it cannot be answered.
I wish the organization well but I do not expect to see valid answers come forth in this century. I am sure that theistic origins of life crowd will have a lot of fun with prize in the mean time.
Provide the details of ONE experiment that can be used to verify the ID hypothesis.
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"I Googled the topic. It seems that almost all sites that refer to this prize are Creationism/ID sites. They seem to have taken the position that because the question is being asked, it cannot be answered."
Oh, wait, scientists cannot admit that they don't know how life began. That's .... er, ... um, ... heresy! It's heresy, by George!
Those darn IDers will distort this issue. We may not know all the "details" of how life began, but we know with near certainty that it happened by random chance with no intelligent design! We do know that, don't we? Of course we do: Carl Sagan said so, and he has a Ph.D in SCIENCE.
I predicted you would ignore my answer and continue to repeat your question in large font. Goll darnit, I predicted it!
It is very true that science does not know the answer to the origins of life. Science is seeking those answers for the benfit of mankind. Science can not should not hampered by the "It is God's will" philosphy that has keep Islam rooted in the 6th century.
I'll agree with that. But neither should science be hampered by the atheistic dogma that led to the murder of 100,000,000 people by their own communist government in the past century.
Since you have mystical insights, maybe you can answer this question for me.
The current hurricane is going to play havoc with the price of oil. If I knew when and how much the prices were going to change, I could make a lot of money. If you have some insights as to the answer to this question, I can easily make a few hundred million dollars. If I do, I promise I will add value to the Origins of Life prize.
I am an evolutionist. I belive in God. The two positions are not contradictory. An omnipotent God does not need to resort to ID.
As another example, consider the current debate in the USA over the theory of evolution versus creationism (also known as "intelligent design"). Evolution is a scientific theory: It makes predictions, predictions that can be tested, and in principle it can be falsified (namely, if those predictions turn out to be incorrect). In particular, evolution predicts that if the environment changes, the inhabitants of that environment will probably change too. And this prediction has been widely confirmed: Bacteria evolve and become resistant to medical treatments, insects evolve and become resistant to pesticides, plants evolve and become resistant to herbicides, animals evolve and become resistant to disease or parasites (in fact, something exactly like this seems to have happened in the US recently with honeybees). There's also the well-documented case of the Peppered Moth (Biston betularia) in England, which evolved from a dark form, when the air was full of smoke from the Industrial Revolution, to a light form when the air was cleaned up. By contrast, creationism is not a scientific theory; it makes no testable predictions, so far as I know, and as a consequence it can be neither verified nor falsified.
Chris Date - O'Reilly Network: An Interview With Chris Date
Jeff Gordon.
Think.
If you were God would you make Ann yourself or leave it to chance?
I know if I were God I would make Ann all by myself and leave nothing to chance.
The things I have left to chance didn't turn out like Ann, have they for you?
An omnipotent God does not need to resort to ID.
You are implying he would resort to evolution? Why?
I'm starting to wonder if you are just playing Devil's Advocate.
"I am an evolutionist. I belive in God. The two positions are not contradictory. An omnipotent God does not need to resort to ID."
But an omnipotent God would certainly apply some kind of intelligent design somewhere, somehow, some way, don't you think? (Consider that a rhetorical question if you wish.)
Many who hold your view apparently think He designed in all the intelligence before the Big Bang, or at least before the first living cell arose, but I don't see why he would constrain Himself that way.
I just hope you are aware that many "hard-core" evolutionists are athiests who see the theory of evolution as their greatest tool. Many of them will tell you, "go ahead and believe in God if you need a psychological crutch, but He is totally superflous to our understanding of how the world works." I suggest you think about whether you are unwittingly promoting their cause.
If you have time, let me suggest in good faith that you read the book Not By Chance by Lee Spetner. Spetner is a professor emeritus of information theory from MIT who argues against the Neo-Darwinian Theory.
You might also check out a book called Tornado In a Junkyard by James Perloff. Perloff is a former hard-core athiest who changed his tune. This book has some material that absolutely amazed me. Toward the end of the book he even presents arguments for young-earth creationism. Now, even I had always considered that view absurd, but I want to tell you that I now realize its not as absurd as I once thought. I'm not saying I believe it, I'm just saying there is a seemingly rational scientific argument for it, and that in itself "blows my mind," as they say. I think you might be surprized.
I was banging around on your site, very interesting - from Ayn Rand and R.J Rummel. I'm still in love with Dagny, you could say she is my childhood sweetheart since I read those Rand books when I was a teen.
Have you ever checked out the Science Against Evolution site? The guy that runs it is in aerospace engineering like you and is also in California. You might find it interesting.
Your link didn't work, but I found the site easy enough. Interesting. Thanks.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
If you were God would you make Ann yourself or leave it to chance? I know if I were God I would make Ann all by myself and leave nothing to chance. The things I have left to chance didn't turn out like Ann, have they for you?Sounds like you've just disproved the existance of God, since God forgot to make Ann naturally blonde, and forgot to remind her to eat!
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
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