Hurricane Katrina, Live Thread, Part V

NHC - NOAA ^ | 28 August 2005 | NHC - NOAA

[tutstar]

I grew up around tornadoes, they're bad but don't last long.

I think it's easy for some to forget that with a hurricane you're looking at hours of severe weather.

[filbert]

From the New Orleans office of the National Weather Service

I have never in my life seen such a warning from a U.S. governmental agency.

[JennysCool]

There is a link upthread.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Is Anderson Cooper going too?

I'm guessing he's still recovering.

[Sidebar Moderator]

When possible, please just post links to graphics and photos

[mhking]

Roll the top back.

The roof of the Dome is a fixed roof - it won't "roll back."

[Brian Mosely]

It's not fake... scroll down to the 1011 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005 (3rd one) statement here:

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/la/allwarnings.html

[Peach]

Why don't they have people drive school buses? I'm stunned, absolutely on the floor stunned, at the apparent lack of a preparedness by city officials.

[oceanview]

i've been telling everyone here (and getting flamed) that the white house communications team are idiots. not only is that speech about iraq poorly timed, but no one is listening to it anyway, its going to get zero attention.

anyway, back to the real topic at hand here.

[Ingtar]

They did their computer models and such with the nukes on a hurricane. No effect in most cases. Strengthened it in others. (Created more heat and low pressure.)

At least that is what I read awhile back.

[chgomac]

People are bringing bags of food & clothing with them....is there a water tank in there so they will have drinking water? What about toilets? How long after this hits until supplies could be airlifted in?

[Milwaukee_Guy]

I'll predict that if the worst case scenario does unfold in New Orleans or elsewhere along the Gulf coast, coastal areas prone to hurricanes will become UNINSUREABLE for a long time to come.

Some estimates have potential material damage at 50 - 100 Billion dollars.

The insurance companies will simply cease providing coverage or coverage may exceed the cost of one's mortgage.

So then the government/taxpayer will foot the bill for oceanfront property or whole areas will simply depopulate due to the cost of living along the coast.

I never thought we would see such a possibility......

[miele man]

Not necessarily so. Some of the local level higher ups are corrupt and run dictatorial shops, they treat their staffs worse than shabbily and skim donations for personal use. I'm sure the majority are not that way but once you've known and talked to some staff, you'll be amazed and saddened. Still, they do some amazingly good work.

[SunnySide]

90 degree water to pass over in the next hours.....



gawd, 90 degree water, like sitting in a jacuzzi.

[Diddle E. Squat]

No, it was lousy timing and politically tone deaf (which is par for the course for the WH PR dept.) If the worst case scenario occurs, it will be the worst disaster in US history, and there will be screaming and finger-pointing regardless of the facts. The media will scream that Bush was so fixated on Iraq that he failed to adequately deal with the storm and implemented a better evacuation. And given that most of his speech was on Iraq, with less than a quarter on NO, while a frantic evacuation was taking place, a lot of people will agree. Not I, and IMHO the hurricane will probably move just enough east to avoid the worst case flooding, but it could end up being a huge PR blunder that paints a lasting political urban myth, similar to his father's price of bread snafu. Hopefully not, but it is a risk and wasn't a politically astute move. Rove's label of 'genius' continues to wear thin.

[spycatcher]

NO ONE SHOULD ASSUME THEY WILL BE SAFE IN THE SUPERDOME WITH 175MPH SUSTAINED WINDS AND GUSTS TO 225MPH!

http://www.wwltv.com/local/stories/wwl092304thanh.1295648.html

"According to Curl, the assumption that the Superdome can withstand hurricane force winds is just that: an assumption. He says more analysis is needed to determine what the Dome can actually withstand because previous wind studies have become somewhat irrelevant since they did not factor in the new high-rise buildings around the Dome. “They create a wind tunnel effect and that needs to be tested. There were initial studies that indicated 130 miles per hour, but we don’t know,” said Curl. He adds that the Dome is not impervious to the same elements other areas would be exposed to."

[ElisabethInCincy]

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/la/allwarnings.html scroll down maybe 1/4 way down its there PRETTY GRIM ... :(....

[beyond the sea]

That thing looks to me like it is still moving somewhat WNW. It does not look like it's going north yet.

[hipaatwo]

The roof of the Dome is a fixed roof - it won't "roll back."


What does that mean?

[commish]

OK I Have now seen it all. Check out the BOLDED area of the following NWS advisory. They have removed al pretense and are saying that Katrina WILL come ashore as a CAT 5. I have never seen them actual put it out like that, usually they couch it with words like "has the Potential" etc etc

000
WTUS84 KLIX 281521
HLSLIX
LAZ038-040-050-056>070-MSZ080>082-281900-

HURRICANE KATRINA LOCAL STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE NEW ORLEANS LA
1015 AM CDT SUN AUG 28 2005

...HURRICANE KATRINA NOW A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE PACKING SUSTAINED
WINDS OF 175 MPH...

...DIRECT STRIKE OF POTENTIALLY CATASTROPHIC AND LIFE THREATENING
HURRICANE EXPECTED...

...RUSH PROTECTIVE MEASURES TO COMPLETION AND LEAVE THE AREA
NOW!...

...HURRICANE WARNING IN EFFECT FOR SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND COASTAL
MISSISSIPPI FROM MORGAN CITY EAST TO THE ALABAMA FLORIDA BORDER....

...DANGEROUS HURRICANE KATRINA MOVING WEST NORTHWEST IN THE GULF OF
MEXICO...

...AREAS AFFECTED...
IN SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA...THE FOLLOWING PARISHES

ASSUMPTION...ST JAMES...ST JOHN THE BAPTIST...ST CHARLES...ST
BERNARD...TERREBONNE...ORLEANS...JEFFERSON...PLAQUEMINE...
LAFOURCHE...ST TAMMANY...TANGIPAHOA...LIVINGSTON.

IN COASTAL MISSISSIPPI...THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES
HANCOCK...HARRISON...JACKSON

...WATCHES AND WARNINGS...
A HURRICANE WARNING IS IN EFFECT FROM EAST OF MORGAN CITY EAST TO THE
ALABAMA-FLORIDA BORDER AREA. THIS INCLUDES THE METRO NEW ORLEANS
AREA...AND THE MISSISSIPPI COAST.

...STORM INFORMATION...
AT 10 AM CDT...THE CENTER OF HURRICANE KATRINA WAS LOCATED NEAR
LATITUDE 26.0 NORTH...LONGITUDE 88.1 WEST OR ABOUT 225 MILES
SOUTHEAST OF THE MOUTH OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER.

MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS ARE NEAR 175 MPH...WITH HIGHER GUSTS.
HURRICANE KATRINA IS A CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE ON THE SAFFIR
SIMPSON SCALE. SOME MINOR FLUCTUATIONS IN STRENGTH IS POSSIBLE
DURING THE NEXT 24 HOURS. HOWEVER...KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO
MAKE LANDFALL AT A CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE PACKING SUSTAINED
160 MPH WINDS. HURRICANE KATRINA IS MOVING TOWARD THE WEST-NORTHWEST
NEAR 12 MPH AND A GRADUAL TURN TOWARD THE NORTHWEST IS EXPECTED
LATER TODAY.

...PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...
PROTECT YOU AND YOUR FAMILYS LIVES. FOLLOW LOCAL EMERGENCY MANAGERS
RECOMMENDATIONS AND LEAVE HURRICANE WARNING AREA NOW BEFORE WEATHER
CONDITIONS WORSEN. RESIDENTS OF SOUTHEAST LOUISIANA AND COASTAL
MISSISSIPPI SHOULD RUSH PREPARATIONS FOR THE LANDFALL OF A
CATASTROPHIC HURRICANE LATER TONIGHT AND EARLY MONDAY...WITH DAMAGING
HURRICANE FORCE WINDS AND HIGH STORM SURGE.

MANDATORY EVACUATION ORDERS ARE IN EFFECT FOR MOST SOUTHEAST
LOUISIANA PARISHES AND COASTAL MISSISSIPPI COUNTIES. RESIDENTS SHOULD
FOLLOW EVACUATION RECOMMENDATIONS FROM LOCAL PARISH OFFICIALS.

...STORM SURGE FLOOD AND STORM TIDE IMPACTS...
KATRINA IS EXPECTED TO MAKE LANDFALL ALONG THE NORTHERN GULF OF
MEXICO COAST AS A CATASTROPHIC LIFE THREATENING HURRICANE. WHILE
EXACT LOCATION LANDFALL IS UNCERTAIN AT THIS TIME...SIGNIFICANT AND
LIFE THREATENING STORM SURGE 18 TO 22 FEET ABOVE NORMAL IS POSSIBLE
NEAR AND TO THE RIGHT OF THE LANDFALL AREA. A FEW AREAS MAY
EXPERIENCE STORM SURGE FLOODING AS HIGH AS 25 FEET ALONG WITH LARGE
AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES NEAR AND TO THE EAST OF WHERE THE
CENTER MAKES LANDFALL. RESIDENTS IN AREAS PRONE TO STORM SURGE
FLOODING SHOULD LEAVE NOW! HEED EVACUATION RECOMMENDATION FROM LOCAL
EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT OFFICIALS. SECONDARY ROADS OUTSIDE LEVEE
PROTECTION WILL LIKELY BECOME IMPASSABLE THIS EVENING AND TONIGHT.

...WIND IMPACTS...
EAST TO NORTHEAST WIND OF 20 TO 25 MPH SHOULD CONTINUE OVER
THE REGION TODAY...THEN INCREASE LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING
TONIGHT. TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE LIKELY TO OVERSPREAD THE
COASTAL AREAS THIS EVENING AND THE REMAINDER OF THE INLAND AREAS BY
EARLY MONDAY MORNING. HURRICANE FORCE WINDS ARE LIKELY TO BEGIN BY
MIDNIGHT AND MOVE INLAND MONDAY MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

KATRINA IS FORECAST TO MOVE ASHORE AS CATEGORY FIVE HURRICANE...
SIMILAR IN STRENGTH TO HURRICANE CAMILLE IN 1969. WINDS ASSOCIATED
CATEGORY 4 AND CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE CAN TOTALLY DESTROY MOBILE
HOMES...AND CAUSE MAJOR DAMAGE TO EVEN WELL CONSTRUCTED BUILDINGS.
HIGHER WIND SPEEDS ARE LIKELY TO BE EXPERIENCED ON UPPER FLOORS OF
TALL BUILDINGS CAUSING DAMAGE.

...RAINFALL...
RAINFALL TOTALS OF 8 TO 10 INCHES...WITH ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF
15 INCHES...ARE POSSIBLE NORTH AND SOUTH OF LAKE PONTCHARTRAIN
AND THE MISSISSIPPI COAST.

...NEXT UPDATE...
THE NEXT LOCAL STATEMENT WILL BE ISSUED AROUND 130 PM CDT.