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Adam, Eve and T. Rex
LA Times ^ | 8/27/05 | Ashley Powers

Posted on 08/27/2005 9:28:07 PM PDT by Crackingham

Dinny the roadside dinosaur has found religion. The 45-foot-high concrete apatosaurus has towered over Interstate 10 near Palm Springs for nearly three decades as a kitschy prehistoric pit stop for tourists. Now he is the star of a renovated attraction that disputes the fact that dinosaurs died off millions of years before humans first walked the planet.

Dinny's new owners, pointing to the Book of Genesis, contend that most dinosaurs arrived on Earth the same day as Adam and Eve, some 6,000 years ago, and later marched two by two onto Noah's Ark. The gift shop at the attraction, called the Cabazon Dinosaurs, sells toy dinosaurs whose labels warn, "Don't swallow it! The fossil record does not support evolution."

The Cabazon Dinosaurs join at least half a dozen other roadside attractions nationwide that use the giant reptiles' popularity in seeking to win converts to creationism. And more are on the way.

"We're putting evolutionists on notice: We're taking the dinosaurs back," said Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, a Christian group building a $25-million creationist museum in Petersburg, Ky., that's already overrun with model sauropods and velociraptors.

"They're used to teach people that there's no God, and they're used to brainwash people," he said. "Evolutionists get very upset when we use dinosaurs. That's their star."

The nation's top paleontologists find the creation theory preposterous and say children are being misled by dinosaur exhibits that take the Jurassic out of "Jurassic Park."

"Dinosaurs lived in the Garden of Eden, and Noah's Ark? Give me a break," said Kevin Padian, curator at the University of California Museum of Paleontology in Berkeley and president of National Center for Science Education, an Oakland group that supports teaching evolution. "For them, 'The Flintstones' is a documentary."

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To: BraveMan
I neither indicated nor implied the post was to me; that is your construct. If you do not wish me to remark about any of your posts, simply say so.

It was not me but the construct of your post that made the implicaton.

201 posted on 08/29/2005 4:22:57 AM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: BraveMan
I am referring to just the one statement. I am not requiring you to debunk every crazy 'creo' statement ever made; just this one.

And I did.

I am not nearly educated enough to dispute anything anybody ever said regarding Lord Kelvin. Since you highlighted that particular statement and quickly claimed the entire post, as well as it's author, totally ignorant, I figured you must have the answer at your fingertips.

I didn't have the time to go into each and every one of his ignorant posts. I saw his ignorant posts and highlighted one as an example.

(BTW, why did you attribute the killing of innocent babies to God? Is that supposed to be the hallmark of the faithful? More cleverness on your part?)

Because God created man and knew all the future actions of man, he is responsible for the his creation. Sort of like how he provided in the reproduction process the natural abortion of billions of embryos.

202 posted on 08/29/2005 4:28:58 AM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
Because God created man and knew all the future actions of man, he is responsible for the his creation.

When God created man, He gave man the free will needed in order to make his own decisions. We are free to decide all things on our own. We can ask God for His help in making those decisions or we can ignore Him; the choice is ours.

To lay the blame for the terrible sins of man at the feet of God is analogous to blaming the SUV for the mayhem caused by the drunkard behind the wheel.
203 posted on 08/29/2005 5:42:44 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: BraveMan

Do you expect to have free will in heaven?


204 posted on 08/29/2005 5:45:38 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Texas Eagle

I am no scientist. I am a Christian. I acknowledge that evolutionary theory may have some merit. I have my questions about evolution, but given my lack of scientific background, I am probably not competent to even formulate those questions properly for those who would give them serious consideration.

I also recognize that what I believe, I believe by faith, not fact. That's what makes it faith. My religious belief is not science, not likely provable by science, but perhaps disprovable by science (but my faith says that it won't be disproven-- that's why I believe what I believe).

I believe in the Bible as the inspired word of God, but I cannot say that every word was intended to be interpreted literally. I believe there is room for symbolism in much of scripture.

I believe God is all powerful, and created the universe for His own reasons, most of which are beyond my (and because I am a fairly intelligent guy, relative to others) and most others' understanding. I believe God is all knowing and all good and loving, although I confess I cannot understand everything about Him.

If God is all powerful, and if among God's purposes was for us to discover and love Him by faith, rather than by His demand or by making Himself obvious to us, then He may have made the world just as it is-- ambiguous and problematic as to its origins, purposes and destiny.

God may have (but need not have, and in fact may not have) created the world in 6 days, or less if He were so inclined. I believe that however God created the world, the day after He finished, it looked older than it was-- perhaps millions or billions of years older, by human reckoning. Alternatively, He may have started the universe by a Big Bang and "cultivated" it to its current state, but my faith suggests not.

I acknowledge the shortcomings that many may see if my belief system, but I suggest that every belief system, even those purportedly based in science, contain shortcomings large enough to allow a total destruction of their validity.

Where does this statement of belief get me (us)? Perhaps nowhere, but hopefully a little further toward a mutual tolerance of others' beliefs (and by tolerance I mean true tolerance, not like that of the left, but an attitude that allows others to have their beliefs without ridicule, while not requiring anyone to adhere one's own beliefs).

Have a great week...


205 posted on 08/29/2005 6:16:45 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: js1138
Do you expect to have free will in heaven?

I would hope, given the obvious flaws in my current decision making process, my understanding would be perfected, otherwise my free will would be just as dangerous in Heaven as it is here on Earth. FWIW, I would much prefer my free will be supplanted with something better right now. That's just me; YMMV . . .
206 posted on 08/29/2005 9:27:23 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Bombardier

kentucky fried dino


207 posted on 08/29/2005 9:29:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: BraveMan
To lay the blame for the terrible sins of man at the feet of God is analogous to blaming the SUV

or Ford

208 posted on 08/29/2005 9:30:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (No wonder the Southern Baptist Church threw Greer out: Only one god per church! [Ann Coulter])
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To: WildTurkey
Obviously Noah wasn't going to stuff a pair of 30-meter high dinosaurs in the Ark.

Genesis 6:19-20 "And of every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every sort into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female. Of the birds after their kind, of animals after their kind, and of every creeping thing of the earth after its kind, two of every kind will come to you to keep them alive."

Those were his instruction.

209 posted on 08/29/2005 10:00:49 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Lexinom
The word of God, which fools disregard, speaks of behemoth and leviathan.

There's plenty of large animals still around. Elephants, whales, hippos etc. Why would dinosaurs have died out while these other megafauna survived?

210 posted on 08/29/2005 10:10:28 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: rawhide
There is no scientific evidence to prove they did not live together.

You mean other than the vast mountains of fossil, geological and dating evidence that is accepted by the vast, vast majority of people educated in the relevant scientific fields?

Just saying it to be so, does not make it so!

And some moron with a museum fleecing ignorant rednecks doesn't change the fact that humans and dinosaurs have never interacted.

211 posted on 08/29/2005 10:15:31 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: RaceBannon
5. Dragons in legends around the world, which evoke the dinosaurs which evolution says humans could not possibly have seen.

Err... The dragon myths of various cultures are quite different. The way dragons are supposed to look varies dramatically from culture to culture.

Humans have never seen actual dinosaurs, but fossils have always been around. It's not surprising that the discovery of a T. Rex fossil would lead to various myths.

212 posted on 08/29/2005 10:32:29 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: BraveMan

But do you expect to have free will in heaven?


213 posted on 08/29/2005 10:36:08 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: BraveMan
I would hope, given the obvious flaws in my current decision making process, my understanding would be perfected, otherwise my free will would be just as dangerous in Heaven as it is here on Earth.

That sounds so amazingly like the way Marxists talk.

214 posted on 08/29/2005 10:37:37 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Crackingham

Dinosaurs and people did live together. I saw it in When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth. But what gives with the evolution of women? In the movie, they were all gorgeous!


215 posted on 08/29/2005 10:43:05 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: js1138
"But do you expect to have free will in heaven?"


Some will some won't just as is now. The flesh will no longer be the vehicle of protection, no shortage of memory once in heaven. That is until the end of the LORD's day, then the sorting begins.
216 posted on 08/29/2005 10:46:52 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: js1138
That sounds so amazingly like the way Marxists talk.

There is a world of difference between what I would expect from myself as opposed to what I would expect from you, which is essentially nothing.

To answer your question more clearly, yes, I would expect to continue to have free will. On Earth as it is in Heaven . . .
217 posted on 08/29/2005 11:21:45 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Lexinom; Aetius; Alamo-Girl; AndrewC; Asphalt; betty boop; bondserv; bvw; D Rider; dartuser; ...
"(the water existed in a canopy above the earth prior to that)"

No, the water existed in "the fountains of the great deep" and came up fast and hot through fissures that encircle the globe. Read the word before posting!

218 posted on 08/29/2005 11:34:13 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: BraveMan
I would hope, given the obvious flaws in my current decision making process, my understanding would be perfected, otherwise my free will would be just as dangerous in Heaven as it is here on Earth.

What does one use their free will to do in heaven?
219 posted on 08/29/2005 11:40:54 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: BikerNYC

I don't know about you, but after I meet Jesus, I'm going to meet Elvis . . .


220 posted on 08/29/2005 12:00:42 PM PDT by BraveMan
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